love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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it's politics as game/career to them isn't it? not sure why these people got involved in the Labour party in the first place but it's pretty clear their interests are no longer focused on transforming society, just on controlling as much power and patronage as they can.

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 09:19 (four years ago) link

If Ed Miliband and Andy Burnham were also unacceptably left wing for them then yes they will go for Starmer as well. Either they're banking on him taking a big shift to the right or they view him as a placeholder until he can be replaced by the closest thing to David Miliband or Dan Jarvis they can find.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link

I assume these ones joined when Labour was in government for career reasons, rather than any sort of wish to see a socialist government.

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link

"nothing to see here"

probably exactly what the doctor said in the ICU ward after examining the PM

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:23 (four years ago) link

I think this will have totally fucked Starmer with the membership, by the way.

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:23 (four years ago) link

it's fucked the party full stop

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 09:24 (four years ago) link

Who the fuck would want to be in a party with a majority clique that sees Starmer as too left wing? You might as well join the Conservatives

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:26 (four years ago) link

None of these people would make it in the Conservative Party and they know that full well.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:29 (four years ago) link

Starmer isn’t implicated. If he fails to oversee their expulsion, he will be. Ashworth’s going to be in an uncomfortable position.

ShariVari, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:33 (four years ago) link

Ashworth deserves to be. Starmer must have seen this report, and some of his appointments are implicated.

Another telling part of the #labourleaks is that they wanted to allow Simon Danczuk to stand as a Labour candidate despite him sending a 17-year-old girl sexually explicit text messages when she asked for a job.

— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) April 12, 2020

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:35 (four years ago) link

"None of these people would make it in the Conservative Party and they know that full well."

I'm sure when the earliest version of the Labour Party first met in that building in Bradford they were discussing the need for a party for scheming 2nd rate career politicians that lack the old money connections to cut it as a Tory!

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:41 (four years ago) link

Starmer needs to not only deal with the toady little shits involved but institute serious reforms of the party structure, not least to deal with the blatant institutional racism. don't see how they can hope to engage BAME members and potential members without this.

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 09:41 (four years ago) link

May 2018

Dawn Butler claimed that Jeremy Corbyn was desperate to deal with anti-semitism in the Labour Party but was blocked by Iain McNicol (the former General Secretary) pic.twitter.com/p9qUw9tZmZ

— James Cleverly (@JamesCleverly) May 5, 2018



And, less than an hour later John Ashworth said that she was talking rubbish. pic.twitter.com/MY45oQC6CK

— James Cleverly (@JamesCleverly) May 5, 2018

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:42 (four years ago) link

god I despise that Ashworth more and more every time I see him.

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:43 (four years ago) link

Karma's failure to find a shadow cabinet role for Dawn Butler looking increasingly o_O imo

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 09:44 (four years ago) link

Found a place for Wes Streeting though, didn’t he.

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:47 (four years ago) link

Ashworth was the guy who made an arse of himself during the election campaign, right? I'd assumed he stayed where he was because you can't really change the Shadow Health Minister during a pandemic but maybe not.

If Starmer is smart he will use this as an opportunity to position himself as a new broom but idk how that would work if he personally suppressed the report.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:47 (four years ago) link

I'll try not to go on about the labour stuff all day, but this is beyond belief.

Sam Matthews got to go on panorama to accuse Corbyn of having done more than “any modern day political figure since the Second World War to bring about the rise of antisemitism.”

Defamation. https://t.co/Rb9D66HeTk

— Matty N (@Mattyblag) April 13, 2020

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:48 (four years ago) link

yeah Ashworth was handing gifts to the Tories and being a complete a dozy and disloyal twat during an election campaign, total arsehole.

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link

This is how a former Blairite MP is responding to a report which shows that senior Labour officials tried to sabotage the 2017 election campaign. These people are without shame & beneath contempt. pic.twitter.com/3TZesSIOlo

— Alex Niven (@Alex_Niven) April 13, 2020

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link

is there a good overview of this shitshow yet? apologies if already linked

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 13 April 2020 09:50 (four years ago) link

T*m Bl*nkins*p is a total prick, does he even have a job now? This is all he’s done for years, day in day out on twitter. Thank God he resigned.

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:51 (four years ago) link

I think this will have totally fucked Starmer with the membership, by the way.

― gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Amazing this is as big a test for Starmer as his reaction to a pandemic but he has already been found out on that one.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 09:57 (four years ago) link

Setting up a secret WhatsApp group so you can look like you're working while slagging off everyone else in the office is the sort of thing you associate with 22 year olds straight out of university

From what I remmember from the Panorama programme a lot of the people working with Sam Matthews were 22 year olds straight out of university.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Monday, 13 April 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link

Also given this has now been leaked it can't possibly be excluded from the EHRC investigation can it?

Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:12 (four years ago) link

I don’t know who is and isn’t a music journo on fb but guessing we’re talking about the people who were giving it the KINDER GENTLER POLITICS EH when someone was being rude about boris last week who are now totally fine with racist & misogynist abuse & undermining attempts to deal with same as long as it helps the cause, and who incidentally have ~thoughts~ about biological sex because of course they do

Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 13 April 2020 10:12 (four years ago) link

Could be argued that it’s out of scope and actively undermining the party case.

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:15 (four years ago) link

I don't think the party has any say in the matter any more? The EHRC can choose to take it into account whether the Labour Party likes it or not.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:16 (four years ago) link

Tell them.

So is Emily Oldknow seriously going to be @Keir_Starmer pick for @UKLabour General Secretary? Surely she should never be employed by the Labour Party in any capacity ever again? https://t.co/8aw0aetpS9

— Diane Abbott MP (@HackneyAbbott) April 13, 2020

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link

Oldknow is not saying she had Tom Watson delay the expulsion of ken Livingstone in that quoted passage unless I’m reading wrong

Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 13 April 2020 10:32 (four years ago) link

Ellipses make it difficult to parse, but if that interpretation is wrong, there’s still tons of shit that’s appalling.

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:39 (four years ago) link

Notable how many of these people, including Blenkinsop, went directly into union roles.

ShariVari, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:40 (four years ago) link

Nobody says “x is saying I did y” meaning “I did y”, there is enough bad shit in there that nobody should be putting obviously wacky interpretations out as “the most damning quote”

Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 13 April 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link

2019 intake again

Ashamed as the former Deputy Chair of @unisontheunion National Black Members that so many of these staff demonstrating racist attitudes now working at high levels for my union. We members cannot allow this to continue @DavePrentis.

— Kim Johnson MP (@KimJohnsonMP) April 13, 2020

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 11:20 (four years ago) link

Ooh snr Whatsapp @UKLabour staff are on twitter! Say hi to
Patrick Heneghan @pjheneghan Greg Cook @gregcook10
Neil Fleming @theneilfleming Fiona Stanton @fionastanton Tracey Allen @SofaaSogood Julie Lawrence @julieklawrence Anna Wright @annawrightwho
John Stolliday @jstolliday pic.twitter.com/bdcSUzOBWR

— Two Flames (@msjenniferjames) April 12, 2020

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 13 April 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link

SV - Yes, saw this last night.

The fact that so many of them are now in Labour-affiliated unions, does not surprise me at all. Labour unions are full to the brim with Jess Phillips types who dgaf about organised labour & are either there via posts in the LP, or because they want a future career in the LP.

— notes on sudan (@notesonsudan) April 12, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 11:28 (four years ago) link

Jon Trickett and Ian Lavery, who were high up in the 2017 campaign, say this in their tribune article:

It quickly became clear that Labour needed to move on from a defensive strategy of just protecting our own seats and go on the attack to target increasing numbers of Tory seats. But when we asked where the data was, the party managers met us with blank faces.

Instead, we were presented with a paper which suggested that we pour resources into seats with large Labour majorities which were never under threat. We were astonished to see the candidates’ names who it was suggested should be the beneficiaries of those resources. They almost exclusively belonged to one wing of the party.

The leaked document makes clear that this was a deliberate strategy. It appears to reveal the existence of an ‘Ergon House Project,’ where party resources to the tune of six-figure sums were secretly reassigned during the election for factional purposes.

This revelation poses enormous questions. Who was involved? How much money was spent without sign-off by elected representatives? Who signed the cheques? Where was the money spent and on what priorities? Was the expenditure ultra vires?


This information - that they weren’t targeting the right seats - was known in 2017, and was covered in Betting House. Just two and a half thousand votes in various key marginals would have kept May out of government.

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 11:34 (four years ago) link

The left’s relationship with Burnham this morning vs tonight pic.twitter.com/mcSpdAftxu

— eli 🤝 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (@Eli_Edwards) April 12, 2020

wholesome

gyac, Monday, 13 April 2020 11:39 (four years ago) link

tbf i've never felt more like liquidating people than in the last 24 hours

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 11:42 (four years ago) link

Amid all this there's evidence of a staggering level of contempt towards even moderate MPs by unelected apparatchiks.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 April 2020 11:49 (four years ago) link

the next left-wing Labour leader needs to be a bit more like Soso if they want to last longer than 5 years and not suffer internal wreckers stabbing them in the back every day.

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 11:50 (four years ago) link

This is a reply to Diane Abbot's tweet above

Memo to you all: you are supposed to be fighting the Tories, not each other.

— artemis #FBPE #WeToldYouSo (@artemis0801) April 13, 2020

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 13 April 2020 12:02 (four years ago) link

You want a list?

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 12:06 (four years ago) link

Nah, just want to slap them

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 13 April 2020 12:12 (four years ago) link

tbf i've never felt more like liquidating people than in the last 24 hours

― où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

At the understanding Pol Pot stage in life.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link

Abbott being my local MP at least makes it impossible for me to go Never Voting Labour Again In My Life.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:24 (four years ago) link

after seeing some of her constant melt retweets recently I don't feel so bad my local MP was beaten by a tory shit!

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:33 (four years ago) link

Making a note of everyone both-sidesing this or explaining how the real enemies are the Tories, should provide a handy xls of the next batch of wrecking cunts

crisp, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:44 (four years ago) link

the Tory faction in the PLP are bigger enemies than the Tories in the Tory Party and always will be. These "real enemies are tories" arseholes are so full of it.

calzino, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:55 (four years ago) link


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