END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

If she'd kept it to herself, well and good. But of course she wants to make her decision public, thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election. She's signaling it's okay to doom themselves. As a POC, I find this disheartening and gross.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 1:54 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fair enough, but also: fairly certain no one outside of the twitter wonkaverse/current affairs readership even knows who she is or will ever hear her opinion

I thought Sanders supporters on social media would also follow his campaign secretary on Twitter?

thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election.

What were you saying like two days ago about depriving voters of agency when you talk about the effect of leaders and endorsements?

yeah what

anyway, if she’s not in a swing state good for her.

and if she is, welp that her business.

What were you saying like two days ago about depriving voters of agency when you talk about the effect of leaders and endorsements?

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z),Monday, April 13, 2020 5:05 PM

the two things can exist at the same time!

It's not 'signalling' FFS it's her opinion, and yes outside of twitter she won't be known.

The activists that went out for Bernie won't be sweating for Biden. It will probably be ok xps

Or a lot of them anyway.

and if she is, welp that her business.

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will),Monday, April 13, 2020 2:07 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry but if you tweet something it's no longer just your business

That kind of messianism does have a childish ruthlessness which works beautifully on social media, for sure.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 4:40 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if it was messianism—a mischaracterization that Biden et al certainly milked for all it was worth—it would stand to reason that she (and others) woud simply follow suit with endorsements. If anything her tweet bolsters the "not me, us" message of the campaign.

you’re right she should definitely know her place and keep her vote to herself if she doesn’t want to support... Joe Biden

my god

if it was messianism—a mischaracterization that Biden et al certainly milked for all it was worth—it would stand to reason that she (and others) woud simply follow suit with endorsements. If anything her tweet bolsters the "not me, us" message of the campaign.

― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VII

I heard this in 2016 too from his most fervent supporters, and it's clever.

Anyway strictly in terms of negotiating strategy it's incumbent on her to compensate proprtionately for Bernie's (also strategic) endorsement

why would she just jump on board? Bernie needs her (and others) to preserve their leverage while he plays nice

it's not like they didn't discuss this

Risking four more years of Trump = a boon for the coming socialist revolution? That's quite the wager.

People really hate her. There are an awful lot of people on Twitter who desperately wish she fit the BernieBro stereotype, and so brand every criticism or interaction with another candidate, no matter how anodyne, as hideously toxic.

Third Way to Bernie supporters, all year long no matter what: you must be in a cult, no one can possibly be fervent about ideas

It's fucking APRIL but "my god, praise Joe Biden now or TRUMP in seven months!"

the only thing her twitter persona affects is the direction of her career. if she's going to be writing intercept posts again in a week, why would anyone expect her to endorse biden? are we waiting for a glenn greenwald endorsement too?

Risking four more years of Trump = a boon for the coming socialist revolution? That's quite the wager.

― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul),Monday, 13 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

That's your imagination doing more work than it should.

Brianna wants medicare and fair taxes. She isn't getting it.

Equally Trump isn't a fascist.

The conclusion is to sit this one out. Sober, like I said.

Personally, I would not expect the average Bernie supporter to endorse Joe Biden. I would simply hope they would make the effort to vote in November and silently, with some feelings of bitterness, vote for Biden at the same time. Announcing you "do not endorse Biden" is not the same as announcing you will not vote for him, but in this instance, given her position, its timing and its tone, it will be widely understood as her endorsing the idea of deliberately not voting for Biden.

Fuck Biden, but even his subpar deportations freeze policy would be a huge step up for undocumented immigrants, among others.

xp

If you think there would be a freeze on deportations then I don't know what to tell you.

Fair enough.

If she'd kept it to herself, well and good. But of course she wants to make her decision public, thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election. She's signaling it's okay to doom themselves. As a POC, I find this disheartening and gross.

Not endorsing anyone is in no way the same as telling people not to vote for a candidate, let alone not to vote at all.

I thought Sanders supporters on social media would also follow his campaign secretary on Twitter?

I would think very very few people who support any politician's platforms would follow that politician on social media, let alone individual members of their campaign.

Seven months of pretending that a 50-year political career was an aberration and what he really believes and intends to do in office are a litany of policies that lie in direct opposition to that career.

Gonna be exhausting for some of you.

for ppl who care so much about moving the overton window you're awfully cynical when there's evidence it is moving

evidence is now politicians saying something during a campaign

Not even convincingly saying something. M460YOs just doesn’t have a ring to it.

honestly anyone w a platform large enough to put a little fear into the Democratic Party should 1000% be doing that. whether it moves the needle or not remains to be seen

I hear Gray is forcing every black woman in Milwaukee to vote for Donald Trump, tho

He is saying saying those things because he thinks he is, on average, mirroring the thinking of the people who might vote for them. Politicians are often known to move with the times and to move their positions to where the votes are. How much do you think Trump cares about abortion? How many politicians carefully avoided endorsing gay marriage until it became 'safe' to? Because Biden is saying these things during a national presidential campaign where he has the nomination of a major party wrapped up, that is evidence of the Overton window moving.

maybe so. hope you’re right. but unfortunately fear seems to be a much better motivator than attempts at collaboration when it comes to pushing either party.

Not endorsing anyone is in no way the same as telling people not to vote for a candidate, let alone not to vote at all.

Fair point.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/04/in-a-joint-livestream-bernie-sanders-endorses-joe-biden.html?

"Immigration activists have repeatedly asked him to account for the Obama administration’s record on deportation. But that reckoning looks far off, even with the announcement that Biden will form an immigration “task force” with Sanders."

bah gawd a task force

"green cards for everyone", task force complete

But the youth don't vote. So it's probably ok xxp

Risking four more years of Trump = a boon for the coming socialist revolution? That's quite the wager.

― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul)

i'm outsourcing my vote for november to pascal, i'll let you know which box he decides to tick

Seven months of pretending that a 50-year political career was an aberration and what he really believes and intends to do in office are a litany of policies that lie in direct opposition to that career.

Gonna be exhausting for some of you.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z)

we can just magically hope that he'll turn into lyndon johnson when elected

of course when lyndon johnson is your _best case scenario_ there might be a certain, uh, enthusiasm gap

LBJ won in one of the largest landslides in American history.

But, sure, point taken. Biden is not LBJ.

Biden’s more like the ‘66 midterms

re: briahna joy gray

my assumption is that her beliefs and feelings are sincere and honest

perhaps it is "selfish" for her not to remain silent about those beliefs and feelings

i understand that all of us are very invested in the outcome of this election and all of us have the right to have really strong feelings

i have a deep sense of loss and betrayal and maybe i don't always express that in a way that is "appropriate", but then i see other people who are also expressing a deep personal sense of loss and betrayal dismissed as "hysterical" (while at the same time being dismissed as "bros" - sure, why not? once one starts using that sort of language one no longer needs even the pretense of coherence)

and this tends to deepen the sense of loss and betrayal i'm feeling

i don't want or need to make more enemies right now but i seem to be doing it anyway, making enemies of people who, even if we have deep and meaningful disagreements, i would like to at least still be able to _talk_ to

that frustrates me

I posted the BJG tweet as a general indicator of the split between Bernie and many of his supporters, as they don't come any closer than she does. That said I suspect many of the....less diplomatic fans out there will cool down a bit when the wounds are less fresh. People are upset and not processing stuff well. (I wonder if there's anything going on that might be exacerbating that...)

Briahna Joy Gray doesn't have to endorse Biden if she doesn't want to. As has been said ten million times, it's up to Biden to win the votes of people with her beliefs, if he actually wants those voters.

I want to play this posting shitty tweets game

I know the media will never understand this but this moment right now, with Bernie trashing his own supporters is exactly why he lost. He was more committed to maintaining power for Dems than claiming it for his own movement.

— Krystal Ball (@krystalball) April 14, 2020

the BJG one is fine

I continue to assume Krystal Ball is a fake name

krystal ball and buck sexton