love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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That's the problem with the u-turn that never was. In the original plan you didn't worry about a second spike because we coped with the first one and had herd immunity etc. In the new plan you have to worry an awful lot about the second spike, and start preparing for it.

They seem to have mashed the two together in the worst way – no prep for a second spike, no management of the first one. They're firefighting as they go. Terrifying. xp

stet, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:41 (four years ago) link

the UK doesn't have a strong or effective enough system of local or regional government for that to happen

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have separate parliaments. Not that the Welsh one amounts to much.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link

it's almost as if it's a government of incompetent chancers whose only real interest is enriching their friends

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link

Borders will be shut both ways. No holidays to India or Spain for Brits, for a good year.

Whether they can afford one after a vaccine is found is another question as well.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:45 (four years ago) link

There's a void in decision-making at the top of government right now as well, with Johnson and Cummings incapacitated and reputedly nearly everyone who worked in Downing Street has got it. Hancock is useless and Raab clearly isn't trusted to make any decisions of substance. I'm not surprised that nothing is being done, decision-making is clearly so centralised that it's a recipe for disaster.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:45 (four years ago) link

And that's assuming they don't make the wrong decisions in the end anyway, and lol at that assumption.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:46 (four years ago) link

There's likely also an ideological split between the Cabinet members more inclined to caution and the ones who were briefing to the press that schools should have re-opened already.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:48 (four years ago) link

Lol @ Tories even trying to re-start local government after those cuts.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:50 (four years ago) link

It's interesting comparing Scotland – where most of this is devolved. They've been mostly in line with UK actions, and you'd expect them to go for political advantage where it was possible and safe to do so. The first real rattling has been over PPE, which the UK has seized control of.

stet, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:51 (four years ago) link

and allegedly has been using that control to funnel ppe to england instead of sharing it with the rest of the uk

He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:52 (four years ago) link

Lol Piers is just throwing New Zealand and Ireland at this.

How is this professional stalker doing a better job than the current leader of the opposition pic.twitter.com/t5oOtKrDZ4

— Your Mum (@judeinlondon2) April 15, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:54 (four years ago) link

The weird thing is the Tories had the political capital -- after a landslide -- to manage it in an 'authoritarian' way. Shut things down, tell people etc. If we end up worse than Italy that's an open goal that Starmer is missing.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:58 (four years ago) link

piers... o-o-otm? feels bad

He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link

"that's an open goal that Starmer is missing"

he makes Shane Long's finishing look forensic.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:02 (four years ago) link

A report on the re-openings across Europe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/world/europe/coronavirus-reopenings-europe.html

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:04 (four years ago) link

What can and can't re-open. A factory that relies as much or more on exports to areas where there is no demand will need further assistance or go under. Re-opening is one very small step.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:06 (four years ago) link

Presumably Morgan has no issue with how the US had handled things or is so it's not Trump's fault.

nashwan, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:15 (four years ago) link

Borders will be shut both ways. No holidays to India or Spain for Brits, for a good year.

Been thinking about how neither myself nor my wife might see our families at all for a year or more, fun times.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:21 (four years ago) link

Piers Morgan does this (the opposite of a heel turn, I guess?) all the time, it allows him to present himself as Far And Balanced. Not that I'm against it, I'll take any scrutiny now whatever the source.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:23 (four years ago) link

new zealand have only had 4 deaths?!

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:25 (four years ago) link

/Borders will be shut both ways. No holidays to India or Spain for Brits, for a good year./

Been thinking about how neither myself nor my wife might see our families at all for a year or more, fun times.


My sister and I are in the same situation because I can’t imagine Ireland allowing travel inwards from the UK esp if things are this bad already, at least if restrictions lift within the UK we are both here, but it will be tough for us. 😞

gyac, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:25 (four years ago) link

The rewards for moving to the UK just keep on coming!

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:31 (four years ago) link

come on immunity passports already

stet, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:37 (four years ago) link

New Zealand has had 9 deaths and 1386 cases.

nate woolls, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:37 (four years ago) link

9 deaths!!

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:52 (four years ago) link

really feel like that's pertinent information that more people should be aware of

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:53 (four years ago) link

extremely worrying stuff in this guardian article about the current situation in uk psychiatric wards. no ppe for a start but also no visits or leave and a complete halt on therapy and therapeutic activities. https://t.co/F1kO5RlOQo

— Emily (@emily_0r) April 15, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:55 (four years ago) link

As far as I can remember all but one of the deaths in NZ are from an elderly care home in Christchurch.

nate woolls, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:58 (four years ago) link

it's amazing what can be achieved when you learn from other countries mistakes rather than imprudently repeating them.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:01 (four years ago) link

But...we had an empire!

quartet for the endocrine (Matt #2), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:02 (four years ago) link

even the biggest mental health hospitals/facilities are not set up in a way which can cope with this, not sure what you can do really beyond use it as another argument against institutionalising people

ogmor, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:09 (four years ago) link

Just checking the statistics on the NRScotland website now (as ONS only covers England and Wales).

For w/c Mar 30:
Typical number of deaths for corresponding week, 2013-19: 1000-1100
For 2020: 1741
Where Covid-19 mentioned on cert: 282

So, in line with England and Wales, direct/indirect effect of C-19 on death statistics is 2-2.5x greater than the daily headline number we're seeing coming out of the hospital figures.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:10 (four years ago) link

jesus I can't imagine the stress and fear you'd have to cope with if one of your kids or family were in one of these institutions right now.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:11 (four years ago) link

New Zealand's line is that their strategy is elimination rather than mitigation

Number None, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link

good strategy imo

He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:16 (four years ago) link

It's not often that I am happy when numbers escape.

And active cases are now less than half of total cases!#Covid_19nz #COVID19nz pic.twitter.com/GV1IfZfEsI

— Chris Knox (@vizowl) April 15, 2020

Number None, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:16 (four years ago) link

NZ started testing people way before it registered its first case and was quarantining new arrivals very early on as well, whereas the UK was still not conducting proper health or temperature checks on new arrivals even when planes stopped flying. Yeah it's a small and remote country and isn't exactly renowned for its population density but it still appears to have been highly successful.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:23 (four years ago) link

UK MPs: IPSA awards them a potential extra £10k work-from-home allowance

New Zealand: They all take a 20% paycut.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:35 (four years ago) link

Piers Morgan tho - wish he was onside all the time!

Maybe its good that he isn't so that when he is its more effective idk

anvil, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:42 (four years ago) link

UK still isn't conducting any sort of border checks. You really would think they'd jump at the chance, this lot

stet, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:59 (four years ago) link

Your first article as leader was paywalled for The Times, who share an owner with The Sun, who smeared the Hillsborough dead. The audacity. https://t.co/vpRj1pxxaB

— Your Mum (@judeinlondon2) April 15, 2020

re: Piers the Stormer! It doesn't take a lot to be more of an impressive fist of an opposition leader than this wet lettuce tbf!

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:00 (four years ago) link

UK still isn't conducting any sort of border checks. You really would think they'd jump at the chance, this lot

Can't get the staff. They'll need to import.

nashwan, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link

case in point

NEW: 6 charter flights from Romania to bring in 450 workers for British farms tomorrow - BBC WATO news reporting

— lisa o'carroll (@lisaocarroll) April 15, 2020

nashwan, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link

what could possibly go wrong

He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:30 (four years ago) link

How dare they come over here and take the vital jobs we have too much of a superiority complex to do!

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:31 (four years ago) link

govt now apparently saying they might not fund beds for rough sleepers who "do not have recourse to public funds" having previously told local govt to find temporary accommodation for everyone

ogmor, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:35 (four years ago) link

Someone must have been losing sleep at the prospect of people not sleeping rough under their watch. B b but we don't usually help the homeless!

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:40 (four years ago) link

Uhhhh excuse you Bobby Pesto says housing the homeless is an excuse not to try to find work

gyac, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link

I'm gonna write a piece for The Spectator saying without a wholly inadequate state social security system that let's thousands of people fall through the cracks and end up homeless, then surely that would be evil communism.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link

apols if posted already, this kinda got me today

#YouClapForMeNow pic.twitter.com/1Dm2hZb6kc

— Tez (@tezilyas) April 14, 2020

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 14:15 (four years ago) link


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