Not the fact of the lockdown but the ways lockdown plays out in policing and public imagination.
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
OTOH I'll likely feel differently in a year when all these new draconian powers have been retained for migrants, black guys, Muslims and no one else.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link
And tbh I don't believe any pandemic is an automatic trump card over civil liberties. We don't seem to have reached a point where they're being eroded yet but I think eternal vigilance over politicians and bourgie fascism sympathisers is always a good idea
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
(eroded any further than the pre-existing trends, Matt otm)
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link
The tracking app on the other hand reminds me of ID cards in that it is only going to introduce a new layer of authoritarianism without solving the problem. Like, it just isn't going to work.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
feels like a good time to get an old phone
― ogmor, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link
This govt and IT - they need to ditch professor Vardy or whoever it is before attempting a Rona app. It will probably end up causing total societal collapse in a week!
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen
― mark s, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
re: lack of imagination, the rise of mutual aid groups is somewhat of a positive development - grass roots, just ppl trying to help each other out and started before any of the govt initiatives. One good argument I saw for keeping them going is that undocumented ppl aren't going to call govt-related help groups
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link
I'm just thinking a dysfunctional government app that ends up working in tandem with the disease and helping it spread would not be unlike a subplot from Rick and Morty.
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
mutual aid is great ofc long as it doesn’t get recuperated into unpaid labour for state/capital... but it’s depressing seeing ppl so surrendered to existing conditions... the assertion that they exist is like a shrug which I relate to emotionally but it feels like defeat
― fuck it (Left), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link
rick and morty is a documentary
― mark s, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
Fishy?
Regarding those 128 fake #NHS Staff accounts posting for 'Herd Mentality' and support of the Govt that were set up by @DHSCgovuk or their marketing agency ...Posts were sent using Hootsuite, a mass-posting tool. Account registered to 1 person with 4 assigned contributors. pic.twitter.com/r7fRFQaFwG— John O'Connell (@jdpoc) April 20, 2020
― The Rampaging Goats of Llandudno (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 20 April 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
bantheclap? what?
― silby, Monday, 20 April 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link
the only good hashtag!
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link
"43 accounts use actual photos of actual NHS staff."
jesus wept
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
So, there should be no politicisation of the coronavirus, unless Conservative.
― Mark G, Monday, 20 April 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link
Red Ed is back.
(THREAD) It is worth explaining why I think government has made the wrong call on CBILs. It is falling into the trap of thinking the danger at the end of all this will be that we have done too much, too quickly when the danger is the opposite: we do too little, too slowly (1/)— Ed Miliband (@Ed_Miliband) April 20, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 April 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
Glad to see Boris is on the mend
is anyone else just absolutely REPULSED by this giant baby pic.twitter.com/0Un7QQ4kZF— Yard Sard: A Memoir (@DuckAlertsNOW) April 20, 2020
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 April 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
need a quite a hard-nosed authoritarian one giant policy relentlessly upheld rn imo
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 21:53 (four years ago) link
one giant baby I meant!
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
Credit where credit's due that's some good Twitter wonkery for Miliband.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 April 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link
I hated myself for voting for his worthless and vile 2015 aberration of what passes for opposition, but never doubted he's not a decent person.
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link
*nods along*wait
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:10 (four years ago) link
ah i read the thread now!
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link
XXX forensic
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link
BREAKING: Leaks show NHS using ‘knowingly flawed’ tests, missing 25% of positive coronavirus cases – Hancock under pressure to resign.https://t.co/K4yt9PtlP5— openDemocracy (@openDemocracy) April 20, 2020
Hancock allowing the NHS to use tests with a 25% failure rate. "no test is better than a bad test" indeed
― calzino, Monday, 20 April 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
That's actually better than I thought; back at the start of April they were saying up to 30% false negatives. Fucking hell, all the same. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-reliable-are-the-uks-coronavirus-tests
― stet, Monday, 20 April 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
I think 30% false negative is apparently pretty standard for that type of test?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
False positive rate seems more relevant (and needs to be much higher than that) for the intended use case of letting people out
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link
If 5% of people are immune and the FPR is 20% then 4/5 of people you’re assuming are immune are not.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 April 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link
The only accurate tests are blood tests but they are slow. I assume there is no real incentive to test NHS workers for immunity as you would have to send those without home.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 06:23 (four years ago) link
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/nhs-staff-to-be-asked-to-treat-coronavirus-patients-without-gowns?
Hancock needs to go.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 07:57 (four years ago) link
He won't and if he's under pressure to go I haven't heard much about it outside of this thread.
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:00 (four years ago) link
I'm afraid that accountability is completely gone from public life in UK since 2010. There are obvious antecedents such as ignoring public feeling and demonstrations re Iraq, but the FTPA has allowed politicians to act without any fear of accountability. Its hard to imagine that the expenses scandal could happen now, can you imagine the justifications that peston and kuenssberg would make. Probably May did more than anyone to push the envelope on this by pressing on in the face of repeated unprecedented commons defeats, but even then patel resigned. The johnson gov has is fully enjoying the fruits of this dismantling of accountability in an extraordinary way, but it does feel like malice, corruption and incompetence are an absolute baseline norm in public office now. I can't imagine that hancock will have to go, that any of them will have to go.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:07 (four years ago) link
I can’t see how replacing him would make things any better, tbh.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:12 (four years ago) link
Probably wouldn't make anything better now, no. More about paying for mistakes, of which this is clearly one.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:19 (four years ago) link
I see what plax is saying but at what point do we get some accountability back. Sunak is playing with fire, as is the call to end the lockdown which could result in a 2nd spike.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:31 (four years ago) link
its not about single instances of 'people going,' but it does seem that the complacency about hiring a cabinet full of dimwit loons is only possible when you know there are repercussions for loose cannon fire. The situation we are in is the result of a political culture that does not fear repercussions.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:34 (four years ago) link
Sunak is definitely going nowhere, he's the anointed one, that cunt will probably be around for the rest of our lives.
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:34 (four years ago) link
i honestly think its in part a constitutional question and there won't be any accountability as long as the ftpa is still in place or at least some other lever comes into being to counter-act it. Even then a lot of damage is already done.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:35 (four years ago) link
Xpost Yeah, you don’t get a safe seat like Richmond in North Yorkshire if they don’t think you’re going places.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:37 (four years ago) link
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/nhs-staff-to-be-asked-to-treat-coronavirus-patients-without-gowns🕸?Hancock needs to go.
― gyac, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 08:40 (four years ago) link
Posted without really looking any further into it, I'm afraid:
Firstly, the OP repeatedly claims there are 128 accounts involved. However, not a single screenshot or handle from any account other than the original account is actually given in the thread. Why is there not a single other account public? https://t.co/i0E4JNqJ6M— Luke Bailey (@imbadatlife) April 21, 2020
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 09:06 (four years ago) link
Well I did look into it and I agree with that take.
― gyac, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 09:19 (four years ago) link
"Hootsuit, a mass-posting tool"
I'll tell my kids Hootsuit was Fred
― calzino, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 09:24 (four years ago) link
Genuinely loled at that, necessary on a day when I’m enraged over that PPE story.
― gyac, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 09:27 (four years ago) link
Regardless of how badly Hancock has been doing, parachuting a completely green minister into the Dept of Health in the middle of a pandemic will probably do more harm than good I'd imagine?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 09:30 (four years ago) link
Coronavirus deaths 41% higher than official figures - ONS https://t.co/uPg0X2BwTP— SkyNews (@SkyNews) April 21, 2020
thought the numbers were a bit low compared to France.
― calzino, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 09:37 (four years ago) link
I presume when the ONS catches up with this week it will be roughly the same.
― calzino, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 09:40 (four years ago) link