Labour must return to getting these three fundamental aspects of opposition right:
First, credibility and trust. Issues of credibility and trust started before Jeremy Corbyn, I think there were issues for Ed Miliband and were actually issues for Gordon Brown.
Ahahaha FFS...where do you start with this start
― nashwan, Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:09 (four years ago) link
I think the Treasury will blink on bailing out universities, if not necessarily all of them. UK HE is one of the only marketable brands the country has and it's an important engine of soft power. If, as i suspect, this is going to be a multi-year disruption, though, it's going to be extremely expensive.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:15 (four years ago) link
jesus that lammy article. trying to work out how he squares
Addressing issues of poverty and brutal unfairness because of class are not sufficient. It seems to me, that you still have to have an account of the nation; that’s really important.
with
I recall with joy and humour my first pints in the Farmers Arms in Peterborough. At a certain point in my life I had gone to watch ‘the Posh’, which is Peterborough United, not Spurs! I spent some of my life as a lawyer in California, and pined for Ribena, Walker’s crisps, the kind of grey sky and nature of England. What I mean is that Englishness, it seems to me, is quite important.
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:18 (four years ago) link
Walker's fucking crisps. He's completely clueless.
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:20 (four years ago) link
so the hashtag #ProudToBeEnglish is trending this morning and as a company which has been on the streets of london meeting y'all daily for several centuries I can assure you this is not the hill you want to die on— Henry Sotheran Ltd (@Sotherans) April 23, 2020
this thread is ok
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link
like, this is fucked, that thing probly cant stnd up on it's own honestly cruel pic.twitter.com/hdNKPw43zL— NHS SUSAN (@despairgenie) April 23, 2020
― gyac, Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:29 (four years ago) link
Oh right, it's St George's Day is it? That explain, and the fact that he's got a book coming out, explains the Lammy idiocy.
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:40 (four years ago) link
I genuinely can't work out if this is parody or not
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/spectator-writers-in-lockdown-by-the-people-stuck-with-them
― varèse désserts (Matt #2), Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:43 (four years ago) link
Just imagine being locked down with any of those people. It doesn't bear thinking about.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:45 (four years ago) link
Reader, they married them in the first place
― varèse désserts (Matt #2), Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:45 (four years ago) link
Idly wondering how long it will take for Toby Young's new puppy to realise he's a cunt.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:48 (four years ago) link
Some people reading this will think, “I bet he changes his tune if he gets the virus.” In fact, I’ve got the virus. I became symptomatic seven days ago, have been bedridden ever since and am now anxiously waiting to see if the disease spreads to my lungs. I’m 56 with no underlying health conditions, so my odds are good. But if the Government follows my advice, and it turns out that by the time I require urgent care the NHS cannot accommodate me, I won’t regret writing this.
...
Toby spent the first week of lockdown in bed convinced he had coronavirus. He didn’t. He is a complete hypochondriac at the best of times and this pandemic has sent his anxiety levels through the roof. He was so worried about catching it that the stress led to a bout of shingles which is what actually laid him up. But Toby was convinced and started taking hydroxychloroquine, vitamin C and anything else he’d read might alleviate symptoms. There was also a lot of temperature-taking, as well as doing some ridiculous breathing test that has now been discredited.
― Number None, Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:57 (four years ago) link
amazing
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:58 (four years ago) link
lol!
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link
so there’s still a chance that he’ll die from the ‘rona then, fuckin’ yassss
― He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:06 (four years ago) link
It's what he would have wanted
― varèse désserts (Matt #2), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:07 (four years ago) link
Aww, that was the best thing ever. Ever.
Reminds me of "Ruttling Orange Peel" from the Rutles "All you need is love"
― Mark G, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:17 (four years ago) link
will have to start a thread for right-wing Herd Immunity hawks that end up dying of the Rona thread, just for the death lols
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:17 (four years ago) link
"What are you laughing at?"
Well...
(actual LOL, yes.)
any RIP's leads to instant thread-ban!
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:19 (four years ago) link
That's properly amazing
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:20 (four years ago) link
there was a guy on the news last night - you could tell he was an expert because he had a very complicated looking machine behind him - who was still promoting the herd immunity thing. he said it only works once you get about 80% with it. he said if a vaccine wasn't found the government should allow people back to work in a controlled way specifically so that everyone would end up getting it.
left unsaid was that letting people back to work in the controlled way he's talking about - in a way that wouldn't overwhelm ICUs - wouldn't result in 80% of the population getting it AT THE SAME TIME which is presumably what's needed??
but in any case i find it perfectly wild that there are still very serious experts putting this stuff out there and not being questioned about it
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:23 (four years ago) link
Why would that be what's needed, Tracer, I don't understand?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link
what's needed for effective herd immunity, i mean
not that i think it's a good idea!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:34 (four years ago) link
Right, but why would that (80% of the population all having the virus at the same time) be what's needed for effective herd immunity?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:40 (four years ago) link
unless I have completely misunderstood the concept, which is probably quite likely, what about herd immunity requires 80% to have it at the same time? I thought it's that 80% of people have had it already at some point so are immune to it now. why would they all have to have it at once?
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:42 (four years ago) link
80% of 67m uk residents is 53.6mmortality rate of 3.5% means 1,867,000 people dead from the ‘rona in the uk sure, let’s fuckin’ go full judge death on this, people need to get back to their hairdresser asap
― He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:47 (four years ago) link
CP - there is no evidence that immunity lasts for more than a few months
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:49 (four years ago) link
yeah just in general on its face it's insane
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:50 (four years ago) link
If there's no evidence that immunity lasts for more than a few months then herd immunity doesn't work as a goal full stop. Whether 80% of the population get it at once or in a more controlled manner is irrelevant.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:53 (four years ago) link
I think you might be jamming concepts together here, Tracer - the whole idea of herd immunity is based on immunity being semi-permanent. If it's only limited (and there's not much evidence of that - there's not much evidence of anything at the range of 'more than a few months') then herd immunity isn't a goer.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:57 (four years ago) link
if immunity only lasts a few months wouldn't it also mean a vaccine would only work for a few months?
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:58 (four years ago) link
My favourite herd immunity commenter was an impressive sounding consultant cardiologist who had himself recovered from C-19 and uncategorically dismissed it as " a nice idea, but complete nonsense" in a very "don't waste my time with this bs" manner.
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:59 (four years ago) link
is there any circumstance where deliberately engineering a situation in which 90-95% of the public are exposed to the coronavirus is 'a goer'???
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:00 (four years ago) link
if there was an angry god of diseases that could only be appeased by 1m + victims it might be a goer!
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:03 (four years ago) link
Insisting on herd immunity to see if that Tory polling dips below 50%, as a treat.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:03 (four years ago) link
that could be the Starmer Surge!
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:06 (four years ago) link
Lol the five tests!
How will the UK get out of lockdown? The UK government has set out five tests that have to be met before restrictions are eased So, what are the tests and how close are we to meeting them? [Thread] https://t.co/h1R8IpNoCC— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) April 23, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:07 (four years ago) link
The idea is, I presume, that unless we keep everyone stuck in their homes forever, it's going to happen sooner or later because viruses don't just disappear, especially one that's this contagious. It's the idea that we allow it to ravage the whole country at once that's irresponsible and dumb.
The best argument for the lockdown is that it buys us time, not until a vaccine, but until drugs can be found that reliably reduced the severity of the infection. If any of these ongoing drug trials are found to significantly reduce the death rate then the idea might be a goer. Until then it just isn't.
If there's no long-term immunity AND no vaccine then as a species we're probably just fucked.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:08 (four years ago) link
Most people survive covid, but yes I think Capitalism might have found its match.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:11 (four years ago) link
"Ensuring supply of tests and PPE can meet future demand"
This will be a new approach for them.
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:12 (four years ago) link
I think they do something to amplify immune system memory - around 9 minutes here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p089xqrl
― woof, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:13 (four years ago) link
i googled to see why some viruses require new vaccines once a year (flu) and some are good for a lifetime (measles seemingly) but stopped when i found this 16th century aztec picture of a man with measles which needed sharing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#/media/File:Measles_Aztec_drawing.jpg
― mark s, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:16 (four years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Measles_Aztec_drawing.jpg/800px-Measles_Aztec_drawing.jpg
― mark s, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:17 (four years ago) link
A vaccine that we all have to get on an annual basis is not the worst thing imaginable.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link
who knew that private eye cartoonists were working in the 16th century xp
― He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:22 (four years ago) link
impressed they had lanyards with ID badge back then.
― calzino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:27 (four years ago) link
That study of the German town suggests mortality rate seems to be more like 0.3%. So three times as bad as flu, but not 3.5%. Still a staggering 160,000 dead to get to herd immunity the hard way. And increasing suggestions that it won't work, as immunity might not last long enough.
― stet, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:28 (four years ago) link
Most of the vaccines they're focusing on now seemingly work by being carried on other viruses that we do create long-term immunity to, the idea being that this will also give us CV immunity at least for a few years. So vaccine-acquired herd immunity can work even when natural herd immunity fails
― stet, Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:29 (four years ago) link
that 0.3% figure also presupposes a capable and well-supplied health service to deal with the crisis, which might be true of Germany but seems... optimistic here
― He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 April 2020 12:50 (four years ago) link