US Politics, April 2020 -- Where's the Vax Returns?

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Of course the immediate rejoinder when I do see it is something yadda yadda about the military, and then something pretty racist.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link

Biden was on Desus and Mero the other day (an insane sentence!), and they asked him "What do you say to the voter who says they would never vote for you?" I wanted so bad for him to just say "Who cares? You just said they said they would never vote for me!" He instead mumbled some bipartisan bladiblah.

DJI, Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link

high tax blue states have been subsidizing low tax red states for years

Just as high tax-revenue-producing urban/suburban areas subsidize low tax-revenue-producing rural areas in all the states that have at least one big city.

Rural Oregonians are constantly encouraged by their political leaders to see the higher density Portland area and Willamette Valley as clueless outsiders who ignorantly impose their harsh, restrictive agendas on the fine upstanding ruralites who are the Real Americans (tm). But none of the rural counties collects enough taxes to pay for their schools and roads without hefty subsidies from the state coffers - which are filled by those ignorant city folks. It's a stupid, self-flattering narrative that they all believe is god's own truth.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link

but it’s not up for debate: literally every “red” state in the Union gets back more from the federal govt than their citizens pay in, EXCEPT Texas. Which must only be bc of oil.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link

(Reliably red, that is. I’m not sure about FL and a couple of the midwestern states that went trump in 2016)

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link

The clip that's likely to make the news was Cuomo reacting to McConnell talking about "blue state bailouts" - Cuomo said (paraphrasing) "So the 15,000 people that died in New York, that's okay because they were probably mostly Democrats?"

I mean, sure, that's probably exactly what McConnell (and his knuckle-walking base) believes, but as LBJ once said under other circumstances, "Let's make the son of a bitch deny it."

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link

Yeah, high tax blue states have been subsidizing low tax red states for years. Dems should point this our at every opportunity, but they're apparently cool with it.

― Fetch the Bolt Thrower (PBKR), Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:48 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I literally never hear anyone point that out, except in Facebook comments. Good for Cuomo.

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will)

otm

but also, another thing that a lot of people point out, but not often enough: delete your facebook account! you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy! create a separate account for your band/organization to promote your events and find out about other events! then resolve to only look at it when absolutely necessary, and always with a trusted friend at your side holding a rope wrapped tightly around your ankle, so that if you spend too long on posting and looking for events they can forcibly pull you away from the device

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link

Yeah it’s horrible but I do really like a lot of stupid little private fb groups. More than I ever liked Twitter tbh.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:15 (four years ago) link

interesting set of endorsements Warren's got there

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link

would a be shame if something happened to them...

edgard varese-type beat (voodoo chili), Thursday, 23 April 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link

but also, another thing that a lot of people point out, but not often enough: delete your facebook account! you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy!

uh have you seen twitter?

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Thursday, 23 April 2020 19:32 (four years ago) link

Need a FB account to post to the ILXors are Now Playing group

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 23 April 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link

But no, FB is definitely worse than Twitter

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 23 April 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link

Just the fact that Trump makes policy through his dumb-ass tweets makes Twitter worse.

DJI, Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link

Someone finally went and wrote the paper


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/how-coronavirus-could-upend-2020-battlegrounds-204708

El Tomboto, Thursday, 23 April 2020 21:02 (four years ago) link

So the GOP et al are really going to lean into this “we can’t bail out the blue states” huh

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 23 April 2020 21:50 (four years ago) link

both facebook and twitter are fucking evil

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 April 2020 22:01 (four years ago) link

been saying for weeks that DeSantis' strategy of killing his dumbfuck seniors in The Villages will cost his master in the White House.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 April 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link

Trump: "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? It would be interesting to check that. That you're gonna have to use medical doctors with."

— Geoff Bennett (@GeoffRBennett) April 23, 2020

it just... might... work... on him

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link

Someone finally went and wrote the paper

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/how-coronavirus-could-upend-2020-battlegrounds-204708

quick skim and honestly the paper itself seems like total bullshit. i might have missed something but it doesn't even mention that, alongside seniors, it's also killing minorities at a disproportionate rate, which seems relevant to the question.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:53 (four years ago) link

XP Those are all real words, but that statement makes no sense.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link

These "Trump is increasingly isolated" stories have yielded diminishing returns for a while, I know, but this one is almost Marquez-ian:

Home Alone at the White House: A Sour President, With TV His Constant Companion

President Trump arrives in the Oval Office these days as late as noon, when he is usually in a sour mood after his morning marathon of television.

He has been up in the White House master bedroom as early as 5 a.m. watching Fox News, then CNN, with a dollop of MSNBC thrown in for rage viewing. He makes calls with the TV on in the background, his routine since he first arrived at the White House.

But now there are differences.

The president sees few allies no matter which channel he clicks. He is angry even with Fox, an old security blanket, for not portraying him as he would like to be seen. And he makes time to watch Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s briefings from New York, closely monitoring for a sporadic compliment or snipe.

Confined to the White House, the president is isolated from the supporters, visitors, travel and golf that once entertained him, according to more than a dozen administration officials and close advisers who spoke about Mr. Trump’s strange new life. He is tested weekly, as is Vice President Mike Pence, for Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

The economy — Mr. Trump’s main case for re-election — has imploded. News coverage of his handling of the coronavirus has been overwhelmingly negative as Democrats have condemned him for a lack of empathy, honesty and competence in the face of a pandemic. Even Republicans have criticized Mr. Trump’s briefings as long-winded and his rough handling of critics as unproductive.

His own internal polling shows him sliding in some swing states, a major reason he declared a temporary halt to the issuance of green cards to those outside the United States. The executive order — watered down with loopholes after an uproar from business groups — was aimed at pleasing his political base, people close to him said, and was the kind of move Mr. Trump makes when things feel out of control. Friends who have spoken to him said he seemed unsettled and worried about losing the election.

But the president’s primary focus, advisers said, is assessing how his performance on the virus is measured in the news media, and the extent to which history will blame him.

“He’s frustrated,” said Stephen Moore, an outside economic adviser to Mr. Trump who was the president’s pick to run the Federal Reserve before his history of sexist comments and lack of child support payments surfaced. “It’s like being hit with a meteor.”

...

Aides said the president’s low point was in mid-March, when Mr. Trump, who had dismissed the virus as “one person coming in from China” and no worse than the flu, saw deaths and infections from Covid-19 rising daily. Mike Lindell, a Trump donor campaign surrogate and the chief executive of MyPillow, visited the White House later that month and said the president seemed so glum that Mr. Lindell pulled out his phone to show him a text message from a Democratic-voting friend of his who thought Mr. Trump was doing a good job.

Mr. Lindell said Mr. Trump perked up after hearing the praise. “I just wanted to give him a little confidence,” Mr. Lindell said.

...

Mr. Trump rarely attends the task force meetings that precede the briefings, and he typically does not prepare before he steps in front of the cameras. He is often seeing the final version of the day’s main talking points that aides have prepared for him for the first time although aides said he makes tweaks with a Sharpie just before he reads them live. He hastily plows through them, usually in a monotone, in order to get to the question-and-answer bullying session with reporters that he relishes.

The briefing’s critics, including Mr. Cuomo, have pointed out the obvious: With two hours of the president’s day dedicated to hosting what is still referred to as a prime-time news briefing, who is going to actually fix the pandemic?

Even Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the experts appointed to advise the president on the best way to handle the outbreak, has complained that the amount of time he must spend onstage in the briefings each day has a “draining” effect on him.

...

Mark Meadows, Mr. Trump’s new chief of staff, is still finding his footing and adjusting to the nocturnal habits of Mr. Trump, who recently placed a call to Mr. Meadows, a senior administration official said, at 3:19 a.m. Mr. Meadows works closely with another trusted insider: Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and de facto chief of staff.

...

Throughout the day, Mr. Trump calls governors, will have lunch with cabinet secretaries and pores over newspapers, which he treats like official briefing books and reads primarily in paper clippings that aides bring to him. He calls aides about stories he sees, either to order them to get a world leader on the phone or to ask questions about something he has read.

Many friends said they were less likely to call Mr. Trump’s cellphone, assuming he does not want to hear their advice. Those who do reach him said phone calls have grown more clipped: Conversations that used to last 20 minutes now wrap up in three.

...

After he is done watching the end of the daily White House briefing — which goes seven days a week, sometimes as late as 8 p.m. — Mr. Trump eats his usual comfort foods, including French fries, in his private dining room off the Oval Office. He asks staff members who may still be around for an assessment of how the briefing went.

Lately, aides say, his mood has started to brighten as his administration moves to open the economy. His new line, both in public and in private, is that there is reason to be optimistic.

“And at the end of that tunnel, we see light,” Mr. Trump said in the Rose Garden last week.

If he is not staying late in the West Wing, Mr. Trump occasionally has dinner with his wife, Melania Trump, and their son, Barron, who recently celebrated his 14th birthday at home.

By the end of the day, Mr. Trump turns back to his constant companion, television. Upstairs in the White House private quarters — often in his own bedroom or in a nearby den — he flicks from channel to channel, reviewing his performance.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:13 (four years ago) link

“mr trump’s strange new life” welcome to the club

Dan S, Friday, 24 April 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link

omiod he had dinner with Baron!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:23 (four years ago) link

This just seems like exactly what he always does. Presiding over the apocalypse changes his habits not one jot, other than shaving 85% off the call time of some pointless communications.

does anyone know of any choir-organ repairers? mine broke (Matt #2), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:29 (four years ago) link

guess that had the intent to tear him down, but like every other article about him I the WP and NYT it just seems way too respectful

Dan S, Friday, 24 April 2020 00:31 (four years ago) link

no Haberman in byline

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link

a malevolent Chance the Gardener

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:47 (four years ago) link

don’t care about the reporters tbh, fuck this, it’s ultimately an attempt to humanize him, don’t want to hear it

Dan S, Friday, 24 April 2020 00:49 (four years ago) link

When will he become increasingly isolated from this mortal coil, is all I care about.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 April 2020 01:09 (four years ago) link

can't someone infect a chicken mcnugget

genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 April 2020 01:12 (four years ago) link

Hmmm Clorox and Lysol trending, what’s that about? Oh fuck me!!!!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 April 2020 01:52 (four years ago) link

Go ahead, kill your base.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 24 April 2020 01:55 (four years ago) link

LYSOL DOUCHE!

Kim, Friday, 24 April 2020 01:56 (four years ago) link

I've often wondered what the doctors' immediate reactions are when he says this stuff.

Here is Dr. Birx's reaction when President Trump asks his science advisor to study using UV light on the human body and injecting disinfectant to fight the coronavirus. pic.twitter.com/MVno5X7JMA

— Daniel Lewis (@Daniel_Lewis3) April 24, 2020

clemenza, Friday, 24 April 2020 01:59 (four years ago) link

all his base are belong to covid

agree that i don't give a fuck about how this halfwit feels about anything except the cold cold embrace of the eternal void

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 24 April 2020 02:00 (four years ago) link

Didn't Mengele do something with bleach injections?

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 24 April 2020 02:01 (four years ago) link

Chance the Gardener!

brownie, Friday, 24 April 2020 02:03 (four years ago) link

Birx isn’t helping anyone by making silent, horrified faces in the background.

treeship., Friday, 24 April 2020 02:14 (four years ago) link

I’m sorry. He is suggesting that doctors “look into” bleach injections.

treeship., Friday, 24 April 2020 02:15 (four years ago) link

so fucked

this should just be a private embarrassment for his sycophantic employees, we shouldn’t have to hear it

Dan S, Friday, 24 April 2020 02:16 (four years ago) link

she can't show disrespect to trump or he will fire her. and it appears to be just her and fauci that know what they're talking about? there's also the surgeon general, but he got demoted for showing disrespect to trump last week by mentioning that there racial disparities in coronavirus health outcomes.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 April 2020 02:18 (four years ago) link

Maybe the bleach injection guy shouldn’t be the president then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

treeship., Friday, 24 April 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link

otm

Dan S, Friday, 24 April 2020 02:34 (four years ago) link

I absolutely love Trump's slight emphasis on "That you're gonna have to use *medical* doctors with," since of course he's actually a PhD rather than clinically qualified.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 24 April 2020 03:41 (four years ago) link

Birx isn’t helping anyone by making silent, horrified faces in the background.

What would you want her to do? I don't know the particulars of the 25th Amendment, but I assume removal requires a lot more than her and Fauci wanting him out of there, and you've already seen that played out with the impeachment. So the two of them try their best in an impossible situation.

clemenza, Friday, 24 April 2020 04:43 (four years ago) link

yeah, probably good to be kind to people in impossible situations, because someday you might land in one too and it's excruciating

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 April 2020 04:44 (four years ago) link

She seems excruciated.

"[Trump is] so attentive to the scientific literature & the details & the data. I think his ability to analyze & integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit” -- this is shocking, hackish stuff from Dr. Birx. pic.twitter.com/c2phsRYaJs

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 27, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 April 2020 04:51 (four years ago) link

knowingly on camera there, too. i guess like most people in prominent positions in this administration, she knows how to turn on the asskissing when she knows he's watching

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 April 2020 04:54 (four years ago) link

After hearing presentation President Trump suggests irradiating people's bodies with UV light or injecting them with bleach or alcohol to deal with COVID19. pic.twitter.com/cohkLyyl9G

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 23, 2020

was choking with laughter at this

calzino, Friday, 24 April 2020 07:50 (four years ago) link


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