Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

mr peanut died its baby nut now

shit

this world is dead

"I support Tom Eagleton 1000%"

Will perhaps write a strongly worded letter to Jayapal

“connect with people on the most basic human level” by grabbing them imo

what about HRC?

lol. j/k

xp

Jesus Christ

nominate fuckin mr peanut who gives a shit, just shitcan the rapist

otm

there were so many people angry at trump about this. i thought they were actually mad about what he had done? turns out most of them were just excited because they thought it would bring him down

i think the pollsters would be astonished that mr peanut does just as well against donald trump as joe biden

I just want to say I am happy to that roxymuzak came back to ILX and I am sorry you are not enjoying being back. I hope that changes and you decide to stay. Quality ILX poster of yore.

i think the pollsters would be astonished that mr peanut does just as well against donald trump as joe biden

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone)

for about five seconds, then they will devote all of their time devoting their energies to finding out what makes the elusive Trump-Peanut voter tick

The painful reminder throughout this for me is how entrenched in rape culture we are. Got a long way to go.

Lechera otm too

There’s a lot of conflating going on that’s stupid. I personally don’t need to defend Biden the man to excuse my vote for Biden the alternative to Trump, because my vote for “not Trump” doesn’t need to be defended.

Biden is still a weird asshole and I’m still really disappointed he’s the most likely nominee barring something truly exceptional happening. I live in an unimportant district where my vote means next to nothing but I’ll mail it in anyway because Trump is a walking disaster for liberal democratic institutions on multiple continents.

I’m never voting third party again, I got took in 2000 and I’m out. That bullshit is a sucker’s game, I feel for anybody who put their own money into it.

Don Lemon had Stacey Abrams on tonight. As the interview went along, I thought he was going to duck bringing up Tara Reade, but he didn't.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/28/stacey_abrams_on_tara_reade_biden_telling_the_truth_and_this_did_not_happen.html

What a mess.

Mr Peanut once ran for mayor of Vancouver

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/former-vancouver-mayoral-candidate-mr-peanut-dead-at-104/

https://belkin.ubc.ca/exhibitions/mr-peanut-campaign-for-mayor-1974/

I personally don’t need to defend Biden the man to excuse my vote for Biden the alternative to Trump, because my vote for “not Trump” doesn’t need to be defended.

― El Tomboto

it's been a long day and i can't sleep so i'm going to push this a little. so first i'm just gonna rewrite that statement in the active voice: "i don't need to defend my vote for Joe Biden (to you)".

fair enough. i mean, here's my take: increasingly it feels like the choice biden voters have is to question the credibility of tara reade or to say that you hate donald trump so much you will vote for a rapist to get him out of office. i have a real, real hard time with both of those alternatives, and if you intend on voicing either one of these beliefs you don't need to defend on a regular basis between here and november, well, i honestly don't know how goddamn much of that i can take.

I don’t know if Biden is a rapist. I don’t know if Trump is a rapist. We have an admittedly fucked up justice system that we use to help determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether people are rapists. It has not served us well in this regard.

Trump is a danger to the world. He wants to use American hegemony to enrich himself, and where he can’t do that, he seeks to destroy everything in his way. He hates NATO. He hates anything green. He is allegedly a rapist.

Biden is a schmuck. He will not spend his entire time in office enriching himself and his immediate family at the cost of multilateral arrangements that have taken decades to establish. He will appoint reasonably competent people to his cabinet. His goal is not to drive the executive branch into a 400’ deep sinkhole. He is allegedly a rapist.

I’ll take the schmuck.

the Democrats should just go full Optimus Prime here and drop out of the 2020 race. Megatron wins by not having any principles in the first place.

Accelerationism!!!

He will not spend his entire time in office enriching himself and his immediate family

Shhh no one tell Tombot about Hunter Biden

shhhhhh

i mean look you want to know what keeps me up at 3 in the morning, well, it's a lot of things, but today it's living in a world where you motherfuckers decide whether it matters if a woman has been raped, it's being reminded over and over and over again exactly how little y'all think of us. i know you really really really care how this election turns out, and sure, i do too, but fucking honestly, at this point i'm just trying to figure out how i'm going to make it through six more months of this.

because you assholes are the kindest, most respectful cis men i know. i don't know anywhere online that respects women, in the aggregate, as much as people on ilx do. that's pathetic, you know that? that's really fucking pathetic.

I've never been able to deal with Abrams after seeing this

Potential Biden VP pick Stacey Abrams says her three favorite books are 1) Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand 2) Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card and 3) "The Institutionist" - ??? (copyediting error, maybe Whitehead's Intuitionist?) https://t.co/xmyjNhuVP9

— Eli Massey (@EliJMassey) April 17, 2020

wtf

Kate, it sounds like you've gone past being unwilling to vote for Biden, and into being angry that anyone is willing to vote for Biden.

I empathize deeply with you but I'm just not sure of what the remedy would be.

I’m having trouble finding the original source for that Abrams thing

looks like the website is defunct now

https://www.ajc.com/business/womenetics-helping-women-succeed-business/nfA3I8YgkQtCjFaxZm5ooM/

something about misspelling (I'm assuming) Colson Whitehead's The Intuitionist as "The Institutionist" feels real

anyway between her Biden defending yesterday and the hint of Rand I'm out

Also, at this point, even though Ender's Game itself isn't as problematic as his later stuff and, uh, commentary, tbh I pause even when people cite Orson Scott Card as a favorite in 2020.

Kate, it sounds like you've gone past being unwilling to vote for Biden, and into being angry that anyone is willing to vote for Biden.

― And I swear that I don't have a gnu (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:07 AM

this is a terrible misreading of what kate actually said, and illustrative that you are not in fact experiencing any depth of empathy

your empathy appears to be actually 1mm deep rn

the whole thing is sickening, i would not spend any amount of time justifying your vote for biden as "he's less bad than trump" at this point

like... we know. it's awesome to be in this double bind of rapists where i have to decide which one is less bad

xp, re. abrams, colson whitehead is good. 1 outta 3.

abrams giving real "i read these books in high school and this other one recently" energy with those choices

Politicians with good taste in the arts are rare. I remember reading in the late '00s that Alito thought John Cheever's Falconer (!) was immoral.

ppl like Abrams coming out to firmly add "this never happened" statements adds a whole other level of ghoulishness imo

like... we know. it's awesome to be in this double bind of rapists where i have to decide which one is less bad

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:19 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

not that i even have to decide! it's just sickeningly horrible all the way through!

I empathize deeply with you but I'm just not sure of what the remedy would be.

― And I swear that I don't have a gnu (Ye Mad Puffin)

listen to women. respect women. don't just give us lip service, but follow the fuck through. i don't demand that you agree with me. i don't demand that you not vote for biden. i am saying that you please fucking try to be cognizant of the consequences of your words and deeds, of how they affect other people. i understand that this is difficult, that this is a highly emotional time, that you are highly emotionally invested in the outcome of this election. take fucking ownership of that. stop spending all of your time showing fucking graphs and talking about polls and talking about how other people may or may not vote and take goddamn ownership of your own emotions.

like, not to pick on tombot, because again, he is a Good Guy(TM) but when he starts a post off like:

"I don’t know if Biden is a rapist. I don’t know if Trump is a rapist."

that to me comes off as really fucking dishonest and really fucking dismissive of both reade and, this is the fucking kicker, really fucking dismissive of trump's victims as well, just to be "fair", because we want to be "fair" and "rational", right? to me, and this is just my read, i could be wrong, it comes off like using agnosticism as a shield to avoid having to confront the possibility that tombot is planning on voting for a fucking rapist, that he is so emotionally invested in the shit trump has done to him, to him personally, that he's willing to excuse or ignore or disregard the candidate he's planning on voting for having raped a woman.

if that's what tombot needs to do to live with himself, look, we all need to live with ourselves at the end of the day, but anybody who tells me that? i am going to judge the fuck out of them, and today i'm not in a place where i can see something like that and just silently shake my head in disgust like i usually do.

Kate otm tbh

i mean, i was one of the people who was cautiously skeptical of the claim at first. the difference now is the evidence has changed. there is now more corroboration than there was for kavanaugh.

I admit I've been salty about people vowing not to vote for Biden but I'm going to try and let that shit go. I think everyone here has been extremely thoughtful about their reasons for voting or not voting and certainly I don't think anyone itt can be reasonably accused of not making an informed decision, especially compared to the overwhelming majority of our countrymen.

it's just unbelievable that this is the candidate we are stuck with, when there were two--two!--very inspiring ones at the outset of the primaries.

both of whom had national name recognition.

genuinely sorry to have disappointed you kate

Did anyone actually ask Tombot who he’s going to vote for or did he just volunteer that information?

The election is in six months, guys