it always drops on a monday, because of weekend counting delays i think.
― calzino, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:09 (four years ago) link
I'm not surprised Yarwood hit the bottle after just watching his Jimmy Savile impression
― calzino, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link
the non-london school where my friend and one-time ilxor _____ is a key (admin) worker has not so far had as many as 10 kids to look after in the building, more like 3-6 most days
so it is open but if you bring yr child in merely bcz yr fed up of keeping them occupied you will be disapproved at
― mark s, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:13 (four years ago) link
rubber-faced funnyman not even funny (or rubber-faced)
― mark s, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:15 (four years ago) link
https://www.hsj.co.uk/news/coronavirus-deaths-mapped-every-region-now-at-least-25pc-below-peak/7027212.article
This is a couple of days old and only includes hospital deaths but this is helpful:
The figures were collated between 5pm on 29 April and 5pm on 30 April, but due to the need to inform relatives and authenticate reports, many of the deaths occurred earlier than this period. It is also very likely that some deaths which did occur during these 24 hours — and before — have not yet been recorded, normally for the same reasons.
The delays to reporting mean the growth curve of deaths for recent days appears flatter than it actually is.
The figures do not include those who have died from the virus outside of hospital, nor those where covid-19 has not been specifically recorded as a cause. These are thought to be at least the equal of hospital deaths.
Due to late reporting, hospital deaths data is only considered robust until 24 April. At that point, the weekly running average had declined for 15 consecutive days and was 40 per cent lower than the peak.
All seven English regions have seen declines by at least a quarter on the various peaks. London leads the way with a drop of 59 per cent, while progress is slowest in the north east and Yorkshire where fatalities have fallen just 27 per cent.
― Matt DC, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
My brother works for an academy school in an area with a large number of deprived kids so they have quite a few in, he says some of them are clearly malnourished despite the meals they get at school Can’t remember if I already posted about how at the beginning of lockdown he was in the Budgens loading up his trolley with boxes of cereal for the kids and he said he thought he was gonna be attacked by a mob of people assuming he was hoarding for himself
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:25 (four years ago) link
without the school breakfast clubs and their free dinners some of these kids will be wasting away, some bordering on being full on edema cases if things get worse. this is the year 2020 in the United Kingdom.
― calzino, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link
Update: Following the latest hospital figures for the number of people who have died after testing positive for coronavirus, a cautious estimate of the UK excess deaths linked to the outbreak is50,200some methodology follows1/— Chris Giles (@ChrisGiles_) May 4, 2020
― gyac, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link
good god
― stet, Monday, 4 May 2020 15:00 (four years ago) link
90% of (hospital) deaths are in the 60 upwards age group. 1% are 20 to 40. That's a fuck of a difference!
― Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Monday, 4 May 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link
and yet the over-70s are agitating to be Let Out Now!
― stet, Monday, 4 May 2020 15:31 (four years ago) link
Where are you finding these stats? xp ONS?
― gyac, Monday, 4 May 2020 15:55 (four years ago) link
Pfft xps the fake news ft just want to spread fear and wreck the economy, so out of step with the mood of the nation. They should follow starmzy’s lead and never play politics
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 4 May 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link
Of the 21,384 confirmed reported deaths so far in hospitals in England of people who tested positive for Covid-19, 11,205 (52%) have been people aged 80 and over while 8,310 (39%) were 60-79.A further 1,706 (8%) were aged 40-59, with 152 (1%) aged 20-39 and 11 (0.05%) aged 0-19, according to NHS England.
A further 1,706 (8%) were aged 40-59, with 152 (1%) aged 20-39 and 11 (0.05%) aged 0-19, according to NHS England.
― Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Monday, 4 May 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
FT analysis doesn't contradict that idea that we peaked on Apr 7, and it's been a steady decline in deaths since. They're just pointing out that hospital deaths, and even the recently added nursing home/community toll, doesn't give the true number. I read somewhere that part of the reason Belgium has the worst deaths-per-capita in the world is their counting methodology - they're including "assumed" cases too. So they might be closer to the "excess deaths" figure. It's difficult to compare national totals as a result of this. The excess death figure in NYC is terrible - they'd reached 7000/week by April 11, when the usual figure for this time of year is more like 1000-1200. Do the official Covid-19 stats for NYC cover that jump in numbers? No idea.
The H1N1 outbreak in 2009-10 was initially reported as causing 3500 deaths in the US. The accepted figure after the fact was more like 12000. So... I'm kind of assuming that not only do many times more people have this than have been tested positive (like, 10x, 20x, 30x), the death toll is probably 1.5-2.5x what's being reported.
The trend is what matters?
― Michael Jones, Monday, 4 May 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
Wait who was saying the ft analysis contradicts the idea that we are past the (first) peak?
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 4 May 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
Sorry if I misread your jibe about playing politics. Figured you were saying this would be politically unpalatable info (I mean, it would I guess).
― Michael Jones, Monday, 4 May 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
Oh yeah haha. I would argue that the numbers themselves also matter but yeah I was making fun of people who dismiss any bad news (such as pointing out the simple fact that deaths are likely closer to 50k than the official 27k) as “spreading negativity” or whatever, and having a despairing dig at the LOTO for adopting this attitude
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 4 May 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
Anyone interested in why those books on Gove’s shelves mean he’s definitely a toxic racist nutter, and not just keeping them for research purposes, ought to have a look at this thread:
While everyone's talking about Michael Gove and David Irving, I found an old article that Michael Gove wrote about David Irving. It gives a real insight into Gove's attitude to Holocaust denial and history more generally.— libcom.org (@libcomorg) May 4, 2020
― santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 4 May 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
The IEA must be worried that the IFS appears to have set up a rival production line for the market in crank economic policy.https://t.co/by0gWngGpY— David Timoney (@fromarsetoelbow) May 4, 2020
― calzino, Monday, 4 May 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
Lol
The books on my table pic.twitter.com/Blr0evCzK7— Andrew Adonis (@Andrew_Adonis) May 4, 2020
― gyac, Monday, 4 May 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link
ffs turn on the TV to see Kate fucking Andrews' face filling the screen. That's on BBC24, Sky has Carole Malone.
― Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Monday, 4 May 2020 21:53 (four years ago) link
Roehampton the first uni to propose cutting academic staff (by 15%), and asking staff over grade 7 to take a 'temporary' pay cut, will be a test case for UCU
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Monday, 4 May 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/04/uk-government-using-crisis-to-transfer-nhs-duties-to-private-sector
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 08:43 (four years ago) link
An interesting point that the 60% 'support for the government' isn't blanket support - it's basically support for "Rishi Sunak gives you a lot of money" - only 24 percent of people think the government has done a good job on testing, and 32 percent on the distribution of key medical supplies.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:12 (four years ago) link
there are so many ways you can interpret "support for the government". if someone asked me who i wanted to handle this crisis, the government or the private sector, and i said "the government" - is that support for the government?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:27 (four years ago) link
I would really like to see how much push is in the poll questions. Probably loads - a practice that is rightfully illegal in America, so the companies come over here and do it.
― santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:30 (four years ago) link
This previously slipped my attention because it's a very thin book, but Michael Gove and Sarah Vine also own 'Beyond Human Rights: Defending Freedom' by Alan Benoist, a central figure in the European New Right and Third Positionist movements. Just a couple over from Ruth Rendell. pic.twitter.com/UzVVbv9O6y— libcom.org (@libcomorg) May 4, 2020
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:46 (four years ago) link
fuck's sake!!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:56 (four years ago) link
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/germany-radical-right-hit-hard-virus/
This piece looks at how support for the far-right has declined during covid, this is partly to do with the rallying around the flag occuring throughout Europe and not solely confined to the irrational uk electorate.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:57 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXMqY1FXsAEcge5?format=jpg&name=large
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link
I noticed a couple a weeks back the CDU have a clear majority in the polling. AfD are in UKIP style freefalling decline.
― calzino, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:06 (four years ago) link
jesus, people get two weeks of gentle authoritarianism and they give up on actual fascism already? lightweights
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:10 (four years ago) link
i heard starmer this a.m. on Today. he's like a big, baffled sheepdog. he wants in on the action. he's keen. he's got a few things written down to say. he says them energetically. you can imagine his eyes swinging around wildly as he talks, looking for someone who looks likely to pat him on the head.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:15 (four years ago) link
move over crace i've got this superficial sketch writing shit SEWN UP
Privatise the BBC
What is @BBCNews playing at?#COVID19 pic.twitter.com/7ObJLAAhEP— The Horse from Readin' Irving (@bojack90s) May 5, 2020
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:17 (four years ago) link
how are they supposed to report on it if it wasn't in matt hancock's press release?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:19 (four years ago) link
I love border-collies and resent their keen as mustard nature being mocked like this and being compared to an inanimate puppet of a lapdog like Starmer!
― calzino, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:19 (four years ago) link
The time to worry about the far right will be when things are ostensibly returning to normal but countries are experiencing recessions or depressions the likes of which most people have never seen in their lifetimes. The UK is probably less vulnerable here than other countries - in part due to the voting system but also because we have a government that will not hesitate to adopt its language, drawing off support but also legitimising that language.
It would be astonishing and frankly terrifying if the country was not past the peak this far into lockdown. In two weeks' time we'll probably have a much clearer picture of how it's working but without widespread testing we can't really know the extent to which it's going to come back. Everything suggests that care homes and hospitals are the real hotspots right now which at least in theory makes test-trace-isolate more feasible as an approach.
Is it unrealistic to think we'll probably end up seeing some relaxation of measures before the end of the month? Even if it's being able to sit in the park or whatever. More generally the government is going to have a hell of a task on its hands convincing people it's safe. Avoiding a depression is important but if they rush the transition out of lockdown it'll negate any economic benefits and probably make things worse, especially if they have to lock down all over again.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link
i think we'll see easing, i don't think the easing will be based much on a scientific plan
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link
reporter on sky news last night standing in front of No. 10 was asked by the anchor how the government was going to handle the 'pressure' for easing the lockdown and she very smartly replied 'it's quite the opposite, actually - the question is how will the public respond to being told that restrictions are easing? they've been told for weeks to stay home, protect the nhs, and save lives. how is the government going to give them the confidence that anything has changed?'
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:27 (four years ago) link
I mean the far right are in government now.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:35 (four years ago) link
What the far right have been doing is spreading and reacting to news stories from before lockdown that when shared read like mosques have been open since lockdown. And last week Nigel Fascist-Partridge, exploiting 'key worker' status, tweeted a video of himself on the beach speculating about how people enter the country by boat and are taken off in vans, some to jobs they've lined up, and others 'bringing the virus', putting words into the mouths of some locals and that they don't believe the official figures.
I expect a lot more anti-globalisation rhetoric citing the virus directly.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:37 (four years ago) link
there was a lot of stuff on social media at the start of lockdown, it seems to have tailed off a bit but yeah you're right i'm sure it's still out there and likely to resurge as lockdown eases
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:42 (four years ago) link
Well yeah, that too.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:45 (four years ago) link
The BBC ran a story about mosques opening for Ramadan on the front page without saying those mosques were in non-lockdown areas of Pakistan and Indonesia.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:49 (four years ago) link
Both that and the story you've linked to just above suggest a problem with stories from the World section being just chucked on the front page without any context in the headline. Difficult to know whether it's incompetent/slapdash editing or deliberate shit-stirring. Or both.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:59 (four years ago) link
I know what my money’s on! Just absolutely no trust whatsoever.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 11:12 (four years ago) link
For the front page of the site to just not be mentioning that UK swaths have overtaken Italy is...
Sorry. I forgot that journalism has misread the mood of the nation.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link
i feel like at this point it's fair to assume there are some pretty nasty bad faith actors somewehre in the BBC's news editorial staff
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 11:15 (four years ago) link