right, but i can't see how this is sustainable for a few years. it should at least be in place long enough to ensure all hospitals and care homes have much more than enough PPE but longer than that i dunno tbh.
― oscar bravo, Sunday, 10 May 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link
we could manage with another few weeks of restraint.
But don't we then arrive at the same point but just in a few weeks?
within a few years
I don't want to be fatalist and say there'll never be a vaccine, because I have no idea. But a few years is a long time. Its difficult to imagine we'll be in lockdown for extended periods of time.
I don't know how much store to put in "the virus doesn't like summer", or how much that is factoring into any decisions.
― anvil, Sunday, 10 May 2020 10:47 (four years ago) link
I work in public health, and the message I'm getting is that there's a strong possibility there won't be a vaccine, and if there is one it won't necessarily be terribly effective and won't be ready for years, and that the focus should be more on developing effective treatments. After all, we never got a vaccine for HIV, but we did get effective treatments.
We're going to have to live with this virus for a long time, lockdowns are a short term solution, ultimately we have to start thinking about what a feasible longer term solution looks like
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 10 May 2020 10:53 (four years ago) link
The only one I can see absent a lockdown is continuous test and trace; either by app or by putting checkpoints everywhere. Then regionalise lockdowns as required. This will accelerate the drive out of London, as just one enormous side effect.
― stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 10:56 (four years ago) link
Yeah as everyone keeps saying, getting ppe and test/trace sorted is like step 0 and we aren’t even there yet
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Sunday, 10 May 2020 10:59 (four years ago) link
And increasing hospital capacity in a way perhaps more meaningful & efficient than “we shoved a lot of beds into an empty stadium in only eight days and then couldn’t staff it”
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:03 (four years ago) link
"Cases are rising again in Germany"
yet with a population of 81m they've kept it to approx 7500 deaths so far. I keep the word *success* being bandied about by tories and the UK media.
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:04 (four years ago) link
This will accelerate the drive out of London, as just one enormous side effect.
Every cloud...
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:08 (four years ago) link
Presumably cases have risen everywhere that has relaxed restrictions - just a question of by how much as to whether they then apply the brake again.
― nashwan, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:09 (four years ago) link
stay alert, control the virus, save lives
Can't help but notice we've lost the NHS part of the old triumvirate, as cynical as it was.
― koogs, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link
Multiple xps - if we hold off a few weeks then trace and test might be up and running by then
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:28 (four years ago) link
The right arm doesn't know what the left arm is doing. I suspect hardliners like Sunak - of the "OK so some old proles will die but the economy and the Tory Party are what really matter" variety - were expecting Boris to be on their side but, in the meantime, he's shat it big time and doesn't know whether he's coming or going.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:35 (four years ago) link
he never knew this
― mark s, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:49 (four years ago) link
That line of argument appears to be an attempt to sneak the herd immunity strategy in through the back door
Did that strategy ever leave? We've got a weak as fuck lockdown which has been weakened further today. We're encouraging street parties. We've normalised 500 deaths per day. We still can't get people to wear a mask or follow a fucking arrow on a floor.
I see no evidence of this being anything other than herd immunity over 3 months instead of 3 weeks with some token messaging about control measures thrown in for plausible deniability.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:08 (four years ago) link
Appearing on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Mr Jenrick said: "Stay alert will mean stay alert by staying home as much as possible, but stay alert when you do go out by maintaining social distancing, washing your hands, respecting others in the workplace and the other settings that you'll go to."
So stay alert means... stay home?
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:10 (four years ago) link
Oh, the settings that you'll go to.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:11 (four years ago) link
shocked to find the marketing geniuses behind Brexit are in fact clodhoppers
― stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:12 (four years ago) link
This almost seems designed to remind the public and business owners as much as possible of the cack-handed entry into lockdown, with businesses 'guided' to stay open but customers 'guided' to stay out of them.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link
Yeah, this guy Jenrick, the Tories and their media outlets act like he's some kind of up-and-coming talent, what an indictment of UK politics.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:29 (four years ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/b6LR9Kc/Screenshot-2020-05-10-at-13-25-43.pngSeriously, though, ffs. You look at this and you wonder what possible justification there is for easing anything right now, other than the Sun is a bit bored and sweatshop-owning Tory donors are worried about their cashflow.
― stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:30 (four years ago) link
Great stuff, guys!https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXqEIXCWsAEOXDP?format=jpg&name=900x900
― gyac, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link
Really otm.
in the face of government's criminal neglect, we need a vehicle to coordinate & support social distancing from below. the trade unions are the obvious yet don't have the strength (or right now the creativity or guts) to act as the driving force.— Sita Balani (@sitainshort) May 10, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link
can't believe this was nearly the first time in my adult life where rents might have to come down, and the labour party bravely stepped in and tabled a solution to keep them high, while turning landlords into unregulated money lenders, transferring even more power to them— tristandross (@tristandross) May 10, 2020
more hats off to Sir Kier commentary
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:00 (four years ago) link
this fucking country
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link
Can I see my parents? Can I have my husband on the post-natal ward after baby is born? Can we ask a friend to come and babysit when I am having baby?From the below, I have zero idea. https://t.co/dJoro1HEHk— Clementine Wallop (@CWallop) May 10, 2020
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link
Lots of focus on "stay home" becoming "stay alert" but not as much on the complete removal of "protect the NHS"
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:49 (four years ago) link
with doctors currently taking legal action to force an independent enquiry into the catastrophic PPE failure, probs best not mentioning the NHS at the moment.
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link
711 more deaths in england alone todaytime to open this baby up and see if we can make it to 2,000 a day
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link
Where's that from? I'm seeing 205 deaths in the UK total.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link
🥳🎆🇬🇧STREET PARTY🇬🇧🎆🥳 🤪🍾🇬🇧TO HONOUR🇬🇧🍾🤪🥰🎉🇬🇧THOSE WHO DIED🇬🇧🎉🥰 🤡🎂🇬🇧OF PREVIOUS🇬🇧🎂🤡 😂🥂🇬🇧STREET PARTY🇬🇧🥂😂— Tom Little of "Grandstand Theme Tune" Fame (@ThisIsTomLittle) May 9, 2020
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:33 (four years ago) link
oh wait, was looking at an old email sorry
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:35 (four years ago) link
200 for the day, but that's just hospitals.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link
And it's a Sunday.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link
and a bank holiday weekend
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link
and The Italian Job is on the telly
― anvil, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link
“It’s the self deterioration society”.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
🎙️ Historian @Rog_Anderson and I deconstruct VE Day and other British wartime myths on the #JeggitPodcast. This is a really eye-opening discussion - not to be missed. https://t.co/Zr6r1ZwIVM— Jason Michael (@Jeggit) May 10, 2020
good little discussion here about the addled exceptionalism of brit nationalists and their crazed delusional ww2 mythology. not like I learned anything new, but just nodded in agreement.
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link
There should be no return to work until it is safe to do so.If work cannot be done safely, it should not proceed.People must come before private profit.— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) May 10, 2020
― gyac, Sunday, 10 May 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
miss u king
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 May 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link
this rent biz is the most perfect faultline exposing issue
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link
It has also exposed how there now could be 20million+ people who could make the most credible claim of "political homelessness" yet
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
Boris trying his best to be serious with this completely confused and befuddling prime ministerial broadcast.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link
He wants me to go to work tomorrow, get tae France, ya wanker.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:15 (four years ago) link
The weird thing is that it kind of is and kind of isn’t. I’m struggling to imagine how substantial the difference in policy would have been if RLB had won or Corbyn had stayed. It’s also not unthinkable that the bulk of the Labour policy will also end up being implemented by a government with no better ideas for averting a major housing / economic crisis.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
we’re gonna end up with a six-figure death toll, easily
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
I'm not watching but by all accounts this is a vague incomprehensible mess.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link
the two years thing is, as stephen bush says, not even coherent. spain are doing a similar thing with six years which softens it but idk how you'll administer that. sorting out housing benefit seems the more obvious route. as it stands this won't even help landlords as many will be unable to pay, and we may see a lot of these small time 'good landlords' trying to sell and making house prices crash, and ofc even if it doesn't it will make the economy tank further
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
House prices are going to crash whatever happens.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
open labour are backing rent cancellation
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link
a q of degree