love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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stay alert, control the virus, save lives

Can't help but notice we've lost the NHS part of the old triumvirate, as cynical as it was.

koogs, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link

Multiple xps - if we hold off a few weeks then trace and test might be up and running by then

boxedjoy, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:28 (four years ago) link

The right arm doesn't know what the left arm is doing. I suspect hardliners like Sunak - of the "OK so some old proles will die but the economy and the Tory Party are what really matter" variety - were expecting Boris to be on their side but, in the meantime, he's shat it big time and doesn't know whether he's coming or going.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:35 (four years ago) link

he never knew this

mark s, Sunday, 10 May 2020 11:49 (four years ago) link

That line of argument appears to be an attempt to sneak the herd immunity strategy in through the back door

Did that strategy ever leave? We've got a weak as fuck lockdown which has been weakened further today. We're encouraging street parties. We've normalised 500 deaths per day. We still can't get people to wear a mask or follow a fucking arrow on a floor.

I see no evidence of this being anything other than herd immunity over 3 months instead of 3 weeks with some token messaging about control measures thrown in for plausible deniability.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:08 (four years ago) link

Appearing on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Mr Jenrick said: "Stay alert will mean stay alert by staying home as much as possible, but stay alert when you do go out by maintaining social distancing, washing your hands, respecting others in the workplace and the other settings that you'll go to."

So stay alert means... stay home?

boxedjoy, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:10 (four years ago) link

Oh, the settings that you'll go to.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:11 (four years ago) link

shocked to find the marketing geniuses behind Brexit are in fact clodhoppers

stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:12 (four years ago) link

This almost seems designed to remind the public and business owners as much as possible of the cack-handed entry into lockdown, with businesses 'guided' to stay open but customers 'guided' to stay out of them.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link

Yeah, this guy Jenrick, the Tories and their media outlets act like he's some kind of up-and-coming talent, what an indictment of UK politics.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:29 (four years ago) link

https://i.ibb.co/b6LR9Kc/Screenshot-2020-05-10-at-13-25-43.png

Seriously, though, ffs. You look at this and you wonder what possible justification there is for easing anything right now, other than the Sun is a bit bored and sweatshop-owning Tory donors are worried about their cashflow.

stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:30 (four years ago) link

Great stuff, guys!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXqEIXCWsAEOXDP?format=jpg&name=900x900

gyac, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link

Really otm.

in the face of government's criminal neglect, we need a vehicle to coordinate & support social distancing from below. the trade unions are the obvious yet don't have the strength (or right now the creativity or guts) to act as the driving force.

— Sita Balani (@sitainshort) May 10, 2020

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 May 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link

can't believe this was nearly the first time in my adult life where rents might have to come down, and the labour party bravely stepped in and tabled a solution to keep them high, while turning landlords into unregulated money lenders, transferring even more power to them

— tristandross (@tristandross) May 10, 2020

more hats off to Sir Kier commentary

calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:00 (four years ago) link

this fucking country

Can I see my parents? Can I have my husband on the post-natal ward after baby is born? Can we ask a friend to come and babysit when I am having baby?

From the below, I have zero idea. https://t.co/dJoro1HEHk

— Clementine Wallop (@CWallop) May 10, 2020

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link

Lots of focus on "stay home" becoming "stay alert" but not as much on the complete removal of "protect the NHS"

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:49 (four years ago) link

with doctors currently taking legal action to force an independent enquiry into the catastrophic PPE failure, probs best not mentioning the NHS at the moment.

calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link

711 more deaths in england alone today

time to open this baby up and see if we can make it to 2,000 a day

Where's that from? I'm seeing 205 deaths in the UK total.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link

🥳🎆🇬🇧STREET PARTY🇬🇧🎆🥳
🤪🍾🇬🇧TO HONOUR🇬🇧🍾🤪
🥰🎉🇬🇧THOSE WHO DIED🇬🇧🎉🥰
🤡🎂🇬🇧OF PREVIOUS🇬🇧🎂🤡
😂🥂🇬🇧STREET PARTY🇬🇧🥂😂

— Tom Little of "Grandstand Theme Tune" Fame (@ThisIsTomLittle) May 9, 2020

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:33 (four years ago) link

oh wait, was looking at an old email sorry

200 for the day, but that's just hospitals.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link

And it's a Sunday.

Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link

and a bank holiday weekend

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link

and The Italian Job is on the telly

anvil, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link

“It’s the self deterioration society”.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link

🎙️ Historian @Rog_Anderson and I deconstruct VE Day and other British wartime myths on the #JeggitPodcast. This is a really eye-opening discussion - not to be missed. https://t.co/Zr6r1ZwIVM

— Jason Michael (@Jeggit) May 10, 2020

good little discussion here about the addled exceptionalism of brit nationalists and their crazed delusional ww2 mythology. not like I learned anything new, but just nodded in agreement.

calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link

There should be no return to work until it is safe to do so.

If work cannot be done safely, it should not proceed.

People must come before private profit.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) May 10, 2020

gyac, Sunday, 10 May 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link

miss u king

this rent biz is the most perfect faultline exposing issue

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link

It has also exposed how there now could be 20million+ people who could make the most credible claim of "political homelessness" yet

calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link

Boris trying his best to be serious with this completely confused and befuddling prime ministerial broadcast.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link

He wants me to go to work tomorrow, get tae France, ya wanker.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:15 (four years ago) link

this rent biz is the most perfect faultline exposing issue

The weird thing is that it kind of is and kind of isn’t. I’m struggling to imagine how substantial the difference in policy would have been if RLB had won or Corbyn had stayed. It’s also not unthinkable that the bulk of the Labour policy will also end up being implemented by a government with no better ideas for averting a major housing / economic crisis.

ShariVari, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link

we’re gonna end up with a six-figure death toll, easily

I'm not watching but by all accounts this is a vague incomprehensible mess.

Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link

the two years thing is, as stephen bush says, not even coherent. spain are doing a similar thing with six years which softens it but idk how you'll administer that. sorting out housing benefit seems the more obvious route. as it stands this won't even help landlords as many will be unable to pay, and we may see a lot of these small time 'good landlords' trying to sell and making house prices crash, and ofc even if it doesn't it will make the economy tank further

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link

House prices are going to crash whatever happens.

Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link

open labour are backing rent cancellation

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link

a q of degree

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link

The government is going to absolutely desperate to get people out spending disposable income before too long and I don't know how that would square with having hundreds of thousands of people whose disposable income is completely swallowed up with rent arrears.

Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link

reforming housing benefit is extremely overdue and the easiest lever to pull in a crisis

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link

there'll just be widespread bankruptcy if there's no rent cancellation, plus ppl disappearing

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link

Yep, though one of Bush’s objections to the two year thing is that the Labour policy of expanding housing benefit means there shouldn’t really be any arrears to pay back (which idk).

ShariVari, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:27 (four years ago) link

Economically I guess the route out of this for the govt will involve gigantic rounds of QE which has the knock-on effect of feeding asset bubbles, including in housing.

Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link

"ppl just disappearing"

Lol once got caught doing a flit by a fairly dangerous landlord. I laugh about it now but it was a very dodgy situation to get through unharmed!

calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link

This "I'll be the PM of the whole nation" is going to play v. well for Scot Nats. Especially now England is the last country in Europe with "extremely high" excess deaths.

stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link

It seems his announcements only really apply to England so he is the Prime Minister of the whole nation of England.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link

I think that's a ref to Sturgeon's public dissing of "Stay Awake" or whatever it is, and her demand it not be used in Scotland.

stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link


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