love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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I do think there's something in the idea of adding back in all the redundancy that has been stripped out in the name of efficiency.

this is where I think there can be curious overlap between your modern Taleb-reading disruptive semi-libertarian right logic and a leftist move towards local control and common ownership. this whole point about risks being greater for large unresponsive bodies and the disasters possible when those in power have no skin in the game are essentially arguments against millionaires and centralisation

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link

you see the tension on the right with the way small businesses are treated vs big business. the likes of deborah meaden complaining that the tory govt isn't pro business at all. you could easily make labour appeal to these ppl by focusing on small business, clamping down on tax evasion and other big business bail outs and hammer the tories for all that corrupt nonsense, split the 'business lobby'

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link

627 today. can't wait for the 900+ VE day street party spike in a few weeks.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link

Is that up on the end of last week?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link

Update, following today's official @ONS data of total deaths, a cautious estimate of the number of UK excess deaths up to 12 May is

59,700

Of these 51,000 have happened and 8,700 are estimates bringing the official data up to date using evidence from hospitals

1/ pic.twitter.com/64tqcIAPlY

— Chris Giles (@ChrisGiles_) May 12, 2020

gyac, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link

https://scontent.flhr6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96815972_10159236073690752_5129909427968671744_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=7wbs8i1KXbwAX_OXp_R&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr6-1.fna&oh=88408f7cb8a59a7d58f2a804db13d1f1&oe=5EDECF79

Honestly heart breaking 💔 sick to death of seeing the same people slag him off and moan about how he should of put us in lockdown sooner, moaned right the way through having to stay indoors and then moan about how he hasn't lifted it yet and how much of a shit job he's doing while he's probably paying 80% of their wages to sit at home on their arse and stay safe. Anybody any idea about the colossal amount of ins and outs of putting an entire country in lockdown? Thought not.
Everyone cried when caroline flack killed herself because of how society reacted to something they knew feck all about...and here we are again.
And you all wonder why I live in the middle of the countryside away from people...I hate the lot of ya 😂 society is ugly.

Keep going Boris 👏

Stop posting muck off your mumsnet alt here ffs

gyac, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link

^ missing the mood of the nation

"Is that up on the end of last week?"

I'm on my phone rn but think it is almost the figures approaching the weekend.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link

Double

calzino, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link

Proposal to revoke suffrage from those who use ‘should of’.

santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link

Why is the Dept of Health on 32k but the ONS are saying its 40k?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link

ONS figures for England and Wales are 33.3k *where C-19 is mentioned on death cert*, up to 1/5/20.

So, if you extrapolate from that to 11/5/20, *or* if you add in Scotland and NI, *or* both, you're surely approaching or beyond 40k. There's no reading of the ONS stats that could possibly mean it's only 32k.

And then you tally the excess deaths, as above, and it's likely far worse than 40k.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link

Thanks.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link

But the Conclusion section of this explains differences between DHSC and ONS numbers pretty well. Basically: former is based on date of registration (not occurrence), so there's a lag in numbers, and there has to have been a positive test (not just mentioned as cause of death on cert). So lag + tests-only = several thousand behind ONS numbers at any given point.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/comparisonofweeklydeathoccurrencesinenglandandwales/uptoweekending24april2020

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link

I’ve changed my mind, end lockdown now

Like a coiled spring.. ready to go for Defence Questions.. pic.twitter.com/1vUsdVf0J1

— Johnny Mercer (@JohnnyMercerUK) May 12, 2020

gyac, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52606982

It occurs to me I haven't said 'fuck this guy' for ages because he appeared to disappear entirely for months, but really, fuck this guy.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link

it is vital that when we are asking other people to work and go to their places of work if they cannot do so from home we should not be the ones who are exempt from that.
JRM OTM tho. Might make them a bit less mad-keen to rush back

stet, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

Exclusive: Treasury blueprint to raise taxes and freeze wages to pay for £300bn coronavirus billhttps://t.co/KesbeEbEQ5

— Gordon Rayner (@gordonrayner) May 12, 2020

Is hiking taxes, freezing wages and slashing state spending a good way to get out of the biggest recession in 250 years? No.

Is telling people you’re going to make their life hell for the next decade a good way to get them to turn against the idea of lockdown / furlough? idk

ShariVari, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link

that "you will have to pay for this global crisis by eating the bark off trees for the next 3 decades" line needs to be strongly challenged by Labour, not tag teamed. Not saying Starmer is doing that but he is very fucking weak from what I've observed.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:18 (four years ago) link

Half the price of the bank bailout to save hundreds of thousands of lives seems cheap tbh

stet, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link

It is totally irresponsible for teacher unions to advise their members not to engage in planning for a safe reopening of schools on 1 June

— Andrew Adonis (@Andrew_Adonis) May 12, 2020

christ I hate tories so much.

calzino, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link

Re: Piers Morgan

There's no points for giving reactionaries props when they stumble into the right position

if you boost them as someone now then when after this they go right back to attacking black people or trans people or any other group with the same ferocity, you've promoted them as someone worth listening to

Thoughts on this? I can see the argument behind it but ultimately I think its the wrong take, actions should be supported

anvil, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 06:11 (four years ago) link

I don't see him pulling off a Trojan horse move here. People are still massively distrusting of him and anything I've seen praising his criticism of the Government has been prefaced with "usually I hate him, BUT..."

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 06:43 (four years ago) link

Broadly, Chris Rock on ‘good dads’ WRT above.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 07:02 (four years ago) link

Schapps has suggested that public transport can carry no more than 10% of the usual capacity without distancing rules being breached, which sounds about right. Absolutely clear that, unless social distancing is abandoned completely, it's not going to be possible for anyone other than key workers to commute. I can't see that changing this year.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 07:31 (four years ago) link

I’ve really had enough of this coverage

Buses in London are packed with passengers this morning, despite the govt asking people to avoid public transport if possible when the #coronavirus lockdown eased.

Follow live as England gets back to work: https://t.co/HxzgZFnXnJ pic.twitter.com/pjTNBlg8ib

— SkyNews (@SkyNews) May 13, 2020



Nobody is cramming themselves onto a crowded London bus voluntarily.

gyac, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 08:15 (four years ago) link

the UK govt just got calmly savaged on the test figures part of their daily "number circus" show on the R4 stats program More Or Less, going to have another listen to that later it sounded good and they concluded that "they like big numbers" more than they like testing.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 08:34 (four years ago) link

Gloves and masks mandatory for passengers, plus a decent disinfect at each terminus before returning to routes. I would like TfL to return to charging for buses because (while using them myself because of the part-time food job I have to help prevent late invoice anxiety, so am accidentally an essential worker) recently I’ve witnessed groups of youths/young men gleefully hop on the ‘free bus’ with no protection. Which means the people who need the bus can’t put distance between one another as they would like. Also TfL is on course to lose a lot of money.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 08:37 (four years ago) link

Real feeling of anger right now, even a week ago there was a sense that, disastrous as the delayed move into lockdown was, we were at least starting to turn the corner, deaths were going down, you could believe that the rate of infection was going down, that if the country just held its nerve it could get this under control.

That feels entirely squandered now. Looking at that 2% fall in GDP, which reflects ONE WEEK of lockdown - you could feel that it was justified, that economic activity had to be suppressed in order to get the virus under control. Q2 is going to look much much worse and to what end? In terms of the virus we could very easily lapse into a significantly worse position than we were in April and with a gigantic economic crisis on top of it, with the country throwing away the gains that would have justified that crisis, no matter how severe it turns out to be.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 09:21 (four years ago) link

Expect to start hearing the line - a lot - that the economic crisis will kill way more people than the virus so we should get the economy going again. Yeah well what about both at once, which is what we're on course for?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 09:26 (four years ago) link

Killing ppl, for the housing market:

Today I am announcing our comprehensive plan to restart, reopen and renew the #housingmarket - safely.

You are now free again to move home whenever you wish. This unblocks 450,000 transactions that were paused due to #COVID19 1/4 pic.twitter.com/yOk0SDFgJL

— Robert Jenrick (@RobertJenrick) May 13, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 09:56 (four years ago) link

🙃

BREAKING: The results for all national Covid testing has gone missing https://t.co/u104FWo0wp

— Alastair McLellan (@HSJEditor) May 13, 2020

gyac, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:19 (four years ago) link

whoops

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:31 (four years ago) link

We got tests two Thursdays ago, they got picked up by courier (no mask) on the Saturday, and we didn’t hear anything back until Sunday just gone. Result was: VOID. I assumed it was because they had waited too long to test the samples, but maybe they just lost them!

crisp, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:32 (four years ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000j2r7

check out the vexed topic of testing on this program from 08:35

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:35 (four years ago) link

Maybe they've lost it all down the back of the sofa, maybe they're bungling the tests and maybe they have no infrastructure to process that data but given what we know about this lot it is likely they're just refusing to share the data with the organisations that need it. That suggests it's much worse than they want anyone to think.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:42 (four years ago) link

The Chancellor's crisis measures have been vital to support jobs and incomes. They also protect the income of landlords & lenders, & could deepen inequality between working poor & asset-owning wealthy

New paper from @oeufling @L__Macfarlane @shreyagnanda: https://t.co/KQ1rYhk3j6

— Carys Roberts (@carysroberts) May 13, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link

apparently some of the figures suggest they are testing the same people twice and counting them as two tests. nobody was available to comment on this curious aberration!

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:47 (four years ago) link

One thing that struck me was that the tests were packaged and delivered by Amazon. I don’t know if everyone was aware they got the contract for that work? Felt weird getting these official government virus tests with big logos plastered all over box.

crisp, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:48 (four years ago) link

There probably aren't that many organisations out there with the delivery infrastructure to get all the required tests out there quickly and at scale, but I don't have any confidence in their ability to handle the return leg up to any kind of clinical standard.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:57 (four years ago) link

Friend of mine had his test switched with his partner's, which seems fairly basic

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:01 (four years ago) link

Dying at the virtual/physical classification here

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5801/cmagenda/calllist200513v01.html#_idTextAnchor002

gyac, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:07 (four years ago) link

Friend of mine had his test switched with his partner's, which seems fairly basic


look the important thing is that the test was done, must we quibble over the details and thus miss the mood of the nation

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:13 (four years ago) link

I didn't think Kmax Headstarm could even exist outside of virtual.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:16 (four years ago) link

Unacceptable abuse of a van's...instant urine dispenser unit

'Photographers are being subject to threats and abuse from the public while covering the Covid-19 crisis, members have reported to the NUJ’s Photographers’ Council. One photographer had urine thrown at her by men in a van...' https://t.co/vnf5Gy155w

— Press Gazette (@pressgazette) May 13, 2020

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:21 (four years ago) link

throwing piss at photographer narcs is a bit out of order, they should throw rotten eggs at them instead.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:26 (four years ago) link

He's fucking murdering him at PMQs here

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:31 (four years ago) link

oh god I 'm already dreading the melt jizz-fest

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:33 (four years ago) link


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