love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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Friend of mine had his test switched with his partner's, which seems fairly basic


look the important thing is that the test was done, must we quibble over the details and thus miss the mood of the nation

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:13 (four years ago) link

I didn't think Kmax Headstarm could even exist outside of virtual.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:16 (four years ago) link

Unacceptable abuse of a van's...instant urine dispenser unit

'Photographers are being subject to threats and abuse from the public while covering the Covid-19 crisis, members have reported to the NUJ’s Photographers’ Council. One photographer had urine thrown at her by men in a van...' https://t.co/vnf5Gy155w

— Press Gazette (@pressgazette) May 13, 2020

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:21 (four years ago) link

throwing piss at photographer narcs is a bit out of order, they should throw rotten eggs at them instead.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:26 (four years ago) link

He's fucking murdering him at PMQs here

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:31 (four years ago) link

oh god I 'm already dreading the melt jizz-fest

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:33 (four years ago) link

Symptomatic of the current Labour leadership that I'm unsure of who will be murdering who

zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:34 (four years ago) link

quite

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:37 (four years ago) link

Another journo:

I went into central London for the first time yesterday and was shocked. Not a single Pret, Costa or Starbucks was open. You cannot get a coffee anywhere. It is like World War III has taken place. This is not the London I know. St Pancras station was totally empty.

— Naomi Canton (@naomi2009) May 12, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:47 (four years ago) link

Simon Baynes, a Conservative, asks about the Llangollen steam railway.

Johnson says he has a picture at home of himself on it with William Hague. He wishes it the best.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:52 (four years ago) link

Absolute fuckery.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:53 (four years ago) link

Has Naomi just come out of a coma?

fetter, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:55 (four years ago) link

So it looks like Johnson either just outright lied to Starmer about govt advice over care homes or didn't know the answer, bullshitted and got it wrong.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:10 (four years ago) link

It feels like one of those things that will ultimately have no affect on his support at all, but it will be nice watching him sweat about it (Labour has now demanded he answer for it in Commons)

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:16 (four years ago) link

There’ll be a lot of not feeling the mood of the country, playing politics bollocks levelled at anyone questioning the government’s approach. It’ll be ramped up even more if Starmer is effective.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:25 (four years ago) link

If he's effective, it'll become more obvious than ever that the mood of the country is "let's not die, eh?" and it's the government that's not feeling it

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:31 (four years ago) link

I think there will be a steady erosion of trust in the govt's handling of things (there is already!) but this is likely to just be another stage in that rather than a turning point. This has its dangers as well as people are more likely to go "fuck it, they don't know they're what they're talking about, I'm going out".

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:33 (four years ago) link

There's surely only so far you can spin a performance like Johnson's, but i guess we'll find out. I can't imagine he'll continue to get minced for an hour a week for the foreseeable future without trying to find a way out of it.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:39 (four years ago) link

need to hear what the big brain of Charles Moore is thinking about this!

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:40 (four years ago) link

it's hard to tell how effective discrediting the tories is, given how capable the tories have been at harnessing public cynicism. the SNP have made use of a lot of purely negative anti-politics sentiment by focusing it on constitutional issues, but there's no sign of much appetite for that from starmer and if he's just trying to earn trust, which seems quaint in 2020, then performances at PMQs, which are basically a wholly negative exercise (at least how he's doing them atm), or even the actions within parliament are not that relevant

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:42 (four years ago) link

I guess the Tories have suddenly been forced into the position of depending on credibility - politicians can’t use distrust in politicians to (successfully) fight a pandemic.

Also, even if it doesn’t win the election getting to watch a drubbing is good for the soul.

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:48 (four years ago) link

how has starmzy got a hairchop

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:50 (four years ago) link

So @BootsUK want volunteers to risk catching #COVIDー19 whilst testing people and not pay them a penny. They want volunteers to work at least 32 hours a week. People should be paid to do this and Boots can afford to pay people. Awful. https://t.co/MQP8x7FaF5

— Charlotte Hughes. The Poor Side Of life (@charlotteh71) May 13, 2020

Boots trying to tap into that Big Society energy slave labour for dangerous work requiring a 32 hour week. cunts.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:55 (four years ago) link

The Tories' big asset is their ruthlessness and consequent ability to renew themselves - don't like these Tories? Fine, we'll get new ones. This lot have managed to get where they are partly due to distrust but also heavily on hot air and that isn't going to cut it any longer. But if it looks like it's going seriously wrong in the eyes of the electorate once the pandemic is receding then they won't hesitate to try and oust him.

They might be a little thin in terms of bench strength by now though.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:56 (four years ago) link

how can you say that when Chris Grayling is still in the playing squad?

calzino, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 12:58 (four years ago) link

Chris Grayling has never announced his retirement from international football.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:00 (four years ago) link

oh they'll go for Sunak like a shot. He is already making the right noises about protecting money above all else, he's across the detail and the melts wet themselves about him

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:01 (four years ago) link

He's also the key person behind the 'remove lockdown, let them all die' wing of the party aiui, which i guess will come out more in the event there was a leadership election.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:05 (four years ago) link

Johnson is a last roll of the dice for Tories in some respect. That 'star quality' aspect so many seem to think he has is completely absent in anyone else within the party. They will gamble everything to maintain control but...who are the Etonians coming up to replace the class of 10+ years ago if any?

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link

you won't know until it's too late

imago, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link

there's Prue Leith's son Danny Kruger for one

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:19 (four years ago) link

Toby Young in a backwards baseball cap.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:23 (four years ago) link

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1260567659516747787

"My own advice was misquoted to me so, er, I had to lie"

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link

No 10 says Starmer 'inaccurately + selectively' quoted the March 12th guidance - see it in full for yourself here - https://t.co/JJ8c9cLLeL

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) May 13, 2020

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link

The document which was published Feb 25th then withdrawn on Mar 13th says twice that it is very unlikely people in care homes would get infected because there was no community transmission of the virus at that stage

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) May 13, 2020

stet, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:51 (four years ago) link

Johnson, Sunak, some other Etonian...it all works for the Tories (or Labour) as long as there is enough money for enough of the population to live on. Whatever the growth, whatever the recession, whatever the austerity that has pretty much been the case. Even the Furlough at 80% will be too little for a lot of small companies the longer this goes on. At the moment there is a fake re-start of the economy going on and when that fails there is another -- and always the ultimate -- test, i.e. how long does that magic money tree keep running on for, and does that make it through to enough people.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:01 (four years ago) link

They’d do it with Sunak just so they could have the first BAME PM. Though everyone else is a busted flush and he’s relatively new, I don’t know who else there would or could be.

gyac, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:02 (four years ago) link

i agree and even hope that it will implode sooner rather than later. what i question is whether the upshot will be anything other than starmer's labour in power

imago, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:03 (four years ago) link

Fucking hell you know it's bad when Laura K is pointing out the govt's bullshit.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:06 (four years ago) link

We had a decade of zombie 'growth' based on rock bottom interest rates that enriched the 1% while the public sector was endlessly looted and workers' rights pared to the bone

We now have simply formalised the zombieness of our economy, while going ahead and letting actual people just die, paid UBI for a few months for jobs that won't exist later as they contemplate a life on UC

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:08 (four years ago) link

They’d do it with Sunak just so they could have the first BAME PM. Though everyone else is a busted flush and he’s relatively new, I don’t know who else there would or could be.

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Is being Asian enough of an issue for the core Tory voters though?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:28 (four years ago) link

Given the age and risk profile of most core Tory voters that might not be an issue by then.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:29 (four years ago) link

They could be stuffed whoever is in charge if that becomes the case. But Covid is killing people in cities (mostly Lab) and a lot of BAME workers too.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:34 (four years ago) link

(That's my assumption I haven't checked the figures as broken down by area lately)

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:36 (four years ago) link

I'm talking about the people who actually vote in Tory leadership elections, but I was also being a bit facetious. My gut feeling is they won't go for him but you never know.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link

they go for sunak if they decide they can beat like with like (not that he is starmer's exact like but the voters may see it thus)

they go for some sort of joffreyesque young psycho 'character' str8 outta eton (or girls school equiv) if...if they think british affection to those types will never truly fade idk

there are alternatives. one of which is phoenix bojo

imago, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link

They’d do it with Sunak just so they could have the first BAME PM. Though everyone else is a busted flush and he’s relatively new, I don’t know who else there would or could be.

― gyac, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is being Asian enough of an issue for the core Tory voters though?


He’s not Muslim, so no. They’d happily vote for Patel if she made the ballot.

gyac, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link

I think the only way Sunak wins is via the Theresa May route: a contest where everyone but him drops before it goes to membership vote.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link

what if him vs gove goes to a vote

imago, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link


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