I was talking to my son's teacher, he's my new best friend because I found out he not only hates tories but also isn't impressed with Starmer either or with his much vaunted forensic abilities.
like this morning I heard Ayesha Hazarika very much overstressing the utter brilliance of that forensic PMQ gotcha where Starmer asks why did the Rona deaths/infection rate comparison charts with other countries disappear from their daily bulletins. Wow you should hear him talking to Ocado customer services, he manages to get his name and address correct and speaks in such a concise manner that call centre staff have been known to applaud him.
― calzino, Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:40 (four years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/17/as-public-confidence-in-the-government-tumbles-the-coronavirus-truce-is-over
Don't usually like linking to Andrew Rawnsley but MPs do actually talk to him and this stuff was interesting:
Even generally loyal Conservatives have become deeply disturbed by the unenviably high toll of fatalities. “Do you know how many people have died in Hong Kong? Four! Just four!” exclaims one senior Tory. “People are waking up to the fact that Britain has done really woefully.”
It is now taken as given that there will be the mother of all public inquiries when this is finally over. Key players at the centre of events are writing private records of who did what when and who failed to do what when. One senior official tells me: “We are all keeping notes.”...
Cabinet ministers are letting it be known that they are furious about the lack of prior consultation by Downing Street before it makes key announcements. Tory MPs joined the ridicule of the prime minister’s confused and confusing broadcast. When it was over, one former cabinet minister turned to his wife and said: “What has he just said? What did that mean?” Two-thirds of the public agree that the government’s new rules are not clear. Another former cabinet minister says: “Boris has had his worst week of the crisis. He lost control of the messaging.” I’m told that a WhatsApp group used by about 250 Conservative MPs seethes with “sulphurous feelings” towards the cabinet.
Barring a sudden onset of competence, this is going to end in a gigantic clusterfuck of finger-pointing, blame-shifting and backstabbing among senior Tories.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:48 (four years ago) link
you love to see it, even while accepting it won't make any difference
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:53 (four years ago) link
I have a feeling that the broadcast last weekend is going to go down in history as a disaster on almost every level - politically, medically, scientifically, economically, morally. Hard to see any level on which it succeeded unless the aim was to sow confusion from the outset.
He's a cock but that Matt Lucas video that did the rounds this week has probably done the government more damage than anything Starmer has managed up until now.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:54 (four years ago) link
oh god that Matt Lucas is a war criminal on so many levels I couldn't watch it
― calzino, Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:57 (four years ago) link
Given the revolt against Johnson’s “plan” from the regions as well as the nations, it feels a little like his authority has shrunk back to the size of London.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:58 (four years ago) link
The video isn't even any good but the point is that it resonated. People have given up months of their lives because of a belief it would be worth it in the end, any sense that it's being squandered, that the UK might end up prolonging this crisis, is going to stoke rage and distrust.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:02 (four years ago) link
I mean just look at the way the UK races up the bar chart here.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:06 (four years ago) link
That Jenny Harries is an absolute disgrace with the things she’s saying. I have friends messaging me from Portugal and at home going what the fuck is going on there???? Just fucking insane every single day.
― gyac, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:07 (four years ago) link
i didn't know there was a Matt Lucas video i'm socially distancing from the nation's favourite faces
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:13 (four years ago) link
at least he hasn't performed a hostile takeover of the entire kid's book industry like his erstwhile partner in warcrime
― imago, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:19 (four years ago) link
I'm actually envious of anyone who hasn't received it at least three or four times on various WhatsApp groups.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:26 (four years ago) link
ah right, i've yet to enter the world of WhatsApp and i dunno my Facebook circle is mostly on...other issues
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:34 (four years ago) link
I don't even have a television Facebook circle, they call me the desolate one. i'm to very offline desolation what starmer is to forensicness!
― calzino, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:42 (four years ago) link
i know! imagine my surprise when i discovered you on that other social media site
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:45 (four years ago) link
I'm just doing my bit to make twitter even worse!
― calzino, Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:52 (four years ago) link
i enjoy Twitter, it's the newsfeed we deserve
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 11:57 (four years ago) link
I lol hard at some bad stuff on twitter. The other day i lost a follower (and I don't have many so it's quite easy to notice!) for liking a sicko Ian Huntley/NHS clapping joke, that probably wasn't that funny but it cracked me up at the time.
― calzino, Sunday, 17 May 2020 12:00 (four years ago) link
maybe it's just my imagination but after a walk to the shops i'd say socially distancing is dying on its arse, it was almost as if people had got the idea it didn't matter any more
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:05 (four years ago) link
Labour's Sir Keir Starmer calls for 'four-nation' approach on coronavirus and lockdown https://t.co/wI4Tg0lObI— BBC Scotland News (@BBCScotlandNews) May 17, 2020
well yeah which begs the question why the fuck would Scotland + miscellaneous others want to get their c-19 guidance from a govt that has fucked it up worse than anywhere else in the world and whose messaging has been chaotic, inconsistent and dangerous? Kier might have used up all his forensicness on that utterly brilliant question he asked last week.
― calzino, Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:08 (four years ago) link
Just been to the shops myself and it's not just your imagination.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:15 (four years ago) link
I saw people having a big multi-generational picnic in the park yesterday. This is the crappiest excuse for a lockdown in Europe and it's down to the garbled contradictory messaging coming from the Westminster govt.
― calzino, Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:15 (four years ago) link
What percentage of people are wearing masks?
Portugal seems to be 100% in shops/buses, 60% on street but declining as its getting warmer, and 0% in parks
― cherry blossom, Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:31 (four years ago) link
yeah, it was notably busier out yesterday (much more traffic on the roads too) and not even that nice a day so it wasn't that
― megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:33 (four years ago) link
I'd put it at 5% max ime
this is probably the worst possible moment to go out to the supermarket, isn't it?
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:41 (four years ago) link
like if the rate isn't going down and people are behaving like this we are in for some awful shit in a week or two
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
At the 'peak' of the lockdown, no more than 15%, now 5% seems more like it.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:43 (four years ago) link
You've got remember that, at least, where I am, not even supermarket staff were wearing masks or gloves, for the most part.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:44 (four years ago) link
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:52 (four years ago) link
It's more and more obvious that the UK government likely doesn't know what they need to do, and certainly true that they don't give a shit. If a lot of dumbo morons have got the message that "Boris says it's OK to go out now", then that'll drive a second wave of infections. Basically, we're on our own. All any of us can do is stay inside and make our own lockdown protocols - which might not be easy if the financial support net, pitiful though it is, gets pulled out from under us.
tl:dr: lol we're all gonna die. Again.
― zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:52 (four years ago) link
yeah i wouldn't have gone today if i hadn't needed to
haven't got a mask at the moment tho so more fool me
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:55 (four years ago) link
He knows full well the other nations aren't going to take advice from Johnson, its about making it look like Boris has lost control of the situation, which has the advantage of being true.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:56 (four years ago) link
he's barely got control of England at this point
― stet, Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link
I have a suspicion that Johnson is more worried about Sturgeon than Starmer right now because if the number of cases and daily deaths starts rising in England while continuing to go down in Scotland he's going to find it next to impossible to defend the government's approach.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:01 (four years ago) link
I think people near me have behaved pretty badly wrt social distancing. Practically having to run away from people to maintain 2m buffer, stepping into the street to avoid people marching down the centre of the footpath, joggers appearing behind me breathing down my neck. I suspect the part of town I live in has a higher than average number of complacent, entitled young people but I've also witnessed plenty of noxious middle-aged men getting in people's faces to make a point. OF COURSE, there will always be pricks and so the ambiguity of messaging has meant that it is next to useless. Its obviously not just a case of people having "common sense" and this self determinist language that the right wing press is vox popping out of white van guys is, as it always is, extremely limited. If there are clear rules I can refer to them to get other people to stop breathing on me, but without I have to rely on not being surrounded by entitled sociopaths (I live in London :-/). It doesn't help that we are in a constant state of being focus grouped. It's amazing that it's possible for the conservative party to convince the public at large that Corbyn did 9/11 but not to conduct conversations from either side of the exit door of the mini supermarket.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:02 (four years ago) link
Ancedotally London overall didn't seem too awful at lockdown, at least initially. Perhaps because it was worst hit and it had more sense of being an immediate threat.
NEW: great story from @alekswis & @BillyEhrenberg shows Britons sharply reduced activity during early phase of lockdown (and indeed pre-empted govt reccs), but in recent weeks activity levels have been risingData: @huqindustries / @CASAUCLStory: https://t.co/VACfoGTzGh pic.twitter.com/e4pqeqwjxM— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) May 13, 2020
― stet, Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link
classic edinburgh
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:11 (four years ago) link
well there it is in black and white red and blue
90 percent Johnson's fault, no doubt in my mind
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:12 (four years ago) link
This surely down to it being illegal to go into a shop without a mask? Which I'm iffy about - good idea in places where the councils provide masks, less cool where ppl are left to make/buy their own.
Here in Stokey I'd say it's one in ten.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:14 (four years ago) link
fOuR nAtIoN 🤪
― gyac, Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
What was that about entitled wankers?
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:17 (four years ago) link
four nation barmy
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link
seems familiarhttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/17/labour-to-plan-green-economic-rescue-from-coronavirus-crisis
― megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Sunday, 17 May 2020 15:26 (four years ago) link
sounds great tbh
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 May 2020 15:28 (four years ago) link
Yeah thats definitely the reason, though the percentage was creeping up quite a bit before they made that the case. Felt like 60%+ before they made it mandatory
― cherry blossom, Sunday, 17 May 2020 15:37 (four years ago) link
It is way too busy out there and I’m not seeing much alertness, everyone’s just given up afaics. That’s the good old blitz spirit!
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Sunday, 17 May 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
the ol’ blitz spirit, where people turned on all their house lights and stood in the street waiting to take a v2 rocket on the chin so the economy wouldn’t collapse
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 May 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link
There's more than one London - mine's looked a lot like what plax is describing, all along.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 17 May 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link