Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

ha -- xpost

It’s important to milo to defend Trump

... would he have repeatedly raped one of his slaves over the course of decades? Would he have committed genocide?

Perhaps and probably, but those are things that actually happened unlike speculating about what he would have done in an alternative history.

It makes someone like the LGM dweebs look silly to need to frame everything as if Trump is the worst to ever exist, as if that's the only way you can justify loathing and objecting to him - and most importantly, it's bad politics because as we've seen in real time it just leads to the next one being the worst ever and the rehabilitation of the guy who no longer seems so bad.

xxp - so presumably then, even Lemieux doesn't believe that Jackson was a better person than Trump and he just writes shit like that for blog readers with broken brains who need to get their daily fix.

It makes someone like the LGM dweebs look silly to need to frame everything as if Trump is the worst to ever exist, as if that's the only way you can justify loathing and objecting to him - and most importantly, it's bad politics because as we've seen in real time it just leads to the next one being the worst ever and the rehabilitation of the guy who no longer seems so bad.

You realize this is exactly the kind of thinking being repudiated in the takedown of the Klein piece, right?

It's not impossible "Trump is the worst in a long modern line stretching back to Nixon" without defending Nixon, Ford, Ronnie, etc.

*not impossible to

He didn't say stretching back to Nixon, he said all 44 men who have been President. Pivoting past just Presidential accomplishments (because then you have to compare him to Dubya's body count and Reagan's handling of AIDS... and Central America... and taxes and ad infinitum) to the metaphysics of his Character and Honor and So On is the same exact shit that happened last week with lib pundits and Bush's coronavirus video. "Gosh, he's so humane - I was opposed to him with all my heart but what a man compared to what we have now."

If Lemieux's arguing otherwise in general, then, again, what an embarrassing sentence because it really is just fodder for the broken brains.

Again, the proof is the thousands of words in other posts that say otherwise, but you won't bother, so I won't.

All I got is the pull quote you supplied - and not even a link!

I'm also not going to hunt down 80 hours of Jordan Peterson's lectures to get a more complete picture of his views.

Fair enough -- here (and the headline makes my -- our -- point).

Scott Lemieux is the same as Jordan Peterson? wow racism

This comes back to that perennial question of measuring someone by character or by deed and which is more important. In terms of which has more importance, thats down to fundementally different ways of seeing the world

no idea why anyone should care about anything but deed tbh, the rest is astrology

boe jiden

deeds make character, read your aristotle yo

boe jiden

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), T

in which Star Wars movie was he

for anyone born in the last half of the 60s, Trump isn't even in the Top 3 worst presidents

Trump's misdeeds as a businessman and as a human being stretch back to well before he became *President of the United States of America* (god, just saying that is creepy). He fails the test miserably on every count, whether it is character, ability, intelligence, or actions.

It's important to Whiney to defend Donald Trump's record

It makes someone like the LGM dweebs look silly

Let's Go Mets?

It's important to Whiney to defend Donald Trump's record

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, May 19, 2020 1:58 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's more important to me that we not continue to wallpaper over the trail of murder initiated by the George W. Bush administration

Mets fans are the only people with brains more broken than liberal pundits.

Could be Trump's COVID body count will start competing with Bush's war record.

great thread

A real roller coaster ride amirite.

the slaves trump would have owned also would have had covid!!!!!!!!!

important not to forget this vital point and I can't believe ppl are disregarding it!!!!!

It's more important to me that we not continue to wallpaper over the trail of murder initiated by the George W. Bush administration

Is it really that important that we nail down the *precise* hierarchy of awfulness between Nixon, Reagan, Bush Daddy, Dubya and Trump? And can it really be regarded as "papering over" anything if someone else ranks Dubya one place ahead or behind where you think his rightful ranking is?

You must realize there is no absolute yardstick for measuring these things. This is just as fruitful an argument as sports fans arguing who was the greatest player ever in the sports they follow.

If you measure it in human death than W is playing in a league of actual genocide, but go off king

Known COVID-19 Deaths in the United States, May 19 2020: 91,499.

It is true that GOP presidents are better at killing their fellow citizens while Dems prefer vaporizing foreigners with drones.

Is it really that important that we nail down the *precise* hierarchy of awfulness between Nixon, Reagan, Bush Daddy, Dubya and Trump?

No, but it is important to maintain perspective and that demands the context of previous Presidents.

Disney really should open the Hall of Presidents show with a lecture from Anton Ego

they own the ip

I don’t think Lemiuex or anyone in this thread underestimates the general venality of the GOP so I’m not really sure who’s at risk of losing perspective

If you measure it in human death than W is playing in a league of actual genocide

Nixon, too, in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. Probably in the vicinity of one million deaths and counting - because we left behind so many land mines and unexploded bombs they are still killing people there today.

So, then, we're agreed that Reagan was really a very decent president because he only invaded Grenada and shot cruise missiles at Gadhafi. And Bush Daddy was much, much worse than Reagan because of Gulf War I. Got it.

ahem

AIDS

yep

Ego would not spare him

But that was from inaction, not action. We must get our ethical yardsticks better coordinated. And Ted Williams was the best hitter ever, amirite?

It is true that GOP presidents are better at killing their fellow citizens while Dems prefer vaporizing foreigners with drones.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:06 PM (fourteen minutes ago)

Trump truly is a uniter: https://theintercept.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-somalia-airstrikes/

Since the beginning of the year, AFRICOM has announced 39 airstrikes in Somalia. The command announced a total of 36 such attacks from 2009 to 2017, under Obama, peaking in 2016 with 19 declared airstrikes. Last year, under President Donald Trump, the U.S. conducted 63 air attacks in Somalia, the most ever in a single year.

So, then, we're agreed that Reagan was really a very decent president

I’m comfortable saying Dubya was a worse President than Reagan. If you think saying that is a defense of Reagan, you are inconceivably dumb.

I'm against rehabbing W too, but give this a read and you have to recognize that Trump is also making a play for the genocide leagues (Iran sanctions + Covid, for instance): https://theintercept.com/2020/05/12/second-trump-term-war-climate-change/

OTOH while serving as president Washington shuffled his slaves between Philadelphia and Virginia every six months to avoid having to obey PA law requiring him to free them, so like milo I always find the Worst Ever convo weird and inevitably tainted with American mythicism

Worst U.S. Presidents

honestly might be worth repolling with the full 45 options

All bad.

Instead of worst, where mere ineffectiveness can get a vote, poll most evil

Hold up tho what is “evil”

That’s between each voter and their gods.