love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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The "I was just looking after my family" defence appears to have only made people angrier. Its also full of holes re: the claim that it was all within the rules really.

First genuine test of Sir Forensic next week I think. Boris hasn't stepped up to defend Cummings yet either fwiw.

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link

More to the point playing fast and loose with the rules in order to defend your mate when he broke them is going to sow more confusion with the wider public and lead to unnecessary deaths.

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:25 (four years ago) link

No 10 official statement doesn’t say they stand behind him either - says Cummings believes he did nothing wrong, which is leaving a canyon right in front of him by their standards.

stet, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link

I don't recall the BBC expecting interviewers to put Catherine Calderwood's side of the story when she got caught redhanded - or that guy who was popping out for a quick shag.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:36 (four years ago) link

I mean on one hand this is an absolutely classic "don't become the story" but really he's going to stand or fall on the extent to which Johnson feels he can't do without him. There can't be a shortage of people to replace him with but maybe Cummings has convinced Johnson he has some special magical dark arts disruptive shit that none of the others have.

I can see him resigning and then being brought back into the fold later on when this has died down. Mandelson managed to pull that trick twice and even Alistair Campbell managed to come back once.

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:38 (four years ago) link

Yes, I think a short spell to be off writing blogs and then a return in time for Brexit. Christ, if Patel can get back in then Cummings can.

stet, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:41 (four years ago) link

I think if there was even a remote chance of him resigning you wouldn’t have Raab and Sunak out there caping for him but idk.

ShariVari, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:49 (four years ago) link

Gove too - all coordinated.

ShariVari, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:51 (four years ago) link

Yes, they are beyond shame now.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:52 (four years ago) link

I think the resignation comes, if it does, partly because of the drubbing all three are now getting. As well as the usual lot this is outraging precisely those people that Tories listen to: cross grandparents.

stet, Saturday, 23 May 2020 10:53 (four years ago) link

Well, you would think so, but UK oldsters are increasingly showing signs of Trumpian delusional behaviour.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link

this feels like getting al capone for tax fraud, ngl

imago, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:02 (four years ago) link

also dunno how much the tories are truly listening to the demographic that they cheerfully decided to lead to its own extinction earlier this year

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:08 (four years ago) link

Cummings knows where the bodies are buried. The wagons are already circled.

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:09 (four years ago) link

Capone went to prison, lost his marbles due to syphilis, died a dribbling vegetable. Don't see the problem there.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:11 (four years ago) link

also dunno how much the tories are truly listening to the demographic that they cheerfully decided to lead to its own extinction earlier this year

And who are cheerfully still supporting them.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:12 (four years ago) link

That's the thing - I don't think they are circled. People on the payroll (and Lolico) are speaking up, but as far as I can see hardly anybody else is, most of the usual outriders are calling for him to go.

"It's not a crime to look after your children" is a terrible message to a set of people that haven't seen adult children+ grandchildren for months — and who you are asking to continue not seeing them. A route out of this might have been "yes he did wrong but", but this lot are literally incapable of admitting even the tiniest error, let alone this.

stet, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link

i think there are two components to the defence: 1. to obfuscate exactly what he did and 2. to emphasise how what he did was nbd

so how he gets nailed is if it can be shown very clearly 1. what he did and 2. why it is a bd

imago, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:17 (four years ago) link

Tory backbenchers are getting restless and aggy as well, you can tell. And a lot of them hate Cummings, so there's hay to be made there.

One of the reasons Starmer was able to force a u-turn on the NHS surcharge was because Johnson was already weak there - it was already a bone of contention on the Conservative benches (plus it was unpopular with the wider country).

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:19 (four years ago) link

what i am not understanding at all is the 'travelled 250 miles so his parents could help with childcare'

were they travelling in the opposite direction? did his children come with him? this is so nuts i can't even cope with the reasoning

imago, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:20 (four years ago) link

I would expect Dominic Cummings' children to have been able to show sufficient fight and self-sufficiency to look after themselves if both their parents were incapacitated and if the house burned down in the meantime then too bad. After all they could just rebuild it themselves.

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link

if he resigns he'll only come back again, like he did last time

||||||||, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link

Like coronavirus.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:26 (four years ago) link

It's telling that some Randian-lite blowhard is considered an irreplaceable intellectual giant among the Tory ranks, the thought of Johnson flailing to make some kind of sense without old pumpkin-face Wormtongue whispering in his ear is cringe-inducing.

Alert! The virus lives (Matt #2), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:30 (four years ago) link

Today Michael @MichaelRosenYes has been in hospital for 8 weeks & I'm v happy to say he left ICU yesterday after a long & difficult 47 days.His recovery is continuing on the Ward & will take time. He has done so well to get through this but please don't expect him back here yet❤️

— Emma-Louise Williams (@Underthecranes) May 23, 2020

some good news!

gyac, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:37 (four years ago) link

they saved him when his bum popped :)

imago, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:38 (four years ago) link

eight weeks, jesus

glad he’s on the mend, we need him back tirelessly harassing john mann on twitter

Laura K deserves to be sent into orbit for what she did last night, but she won’t because this is a normal country.

gyac, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:41 (four years ago) link

Is it true that hundreds of bots started tweeting about Stephen Kinnock at the point at which this story broke last night?

Don't get me wrong, anything that shows up Stephen Kinnock is fine with me but still...

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:49 (four years ago) link

even soulless bot-egg armies on twitter possess more political integrity and genuine sentience than Skinnock tbf to them

calzino, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:57 (four years ago) link

In what way is Skinnock not an eggbot himself?

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:58 (four years ago) link

lol!

calzino, Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:59 (four years ago) link

Keep baldies out of politics.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 11:59 (four years ago) link

*tugs collar*

If you are concerned about people ignoring social distancing rules in our parks and open spaces, please ☎️ our anti-social behaviour line on 020 7527 7272.

https://t.co/MaOwCGm9wD

#LondonTogether #SocialDistancing #COVID19

— Islington Council (@IslingtonBC) May 23, 2020

nashwan, Saturday, 23 May 2020 12:22 (four years ago) link

I can't think of any prominent slaphead nazis, plenty of receding shiny foreheads but not full on members of the egg community.

calzino, Saturday, 23 May 2020 12:25 (four years ago) link

Julius Streicher

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 May 2020 12:35 (four years ago) link

oh yeah he was a proper Col Blimp mofo!

calzino, Saturday, 23 May 2020 12:38 (four years ago) link

Author Michael Rosen out of intensive care after 47 days https://t.co/jL9bK94zTW

— Guardian Books (@GuardianBooks) May 23, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 May 2020 12:38 (four years ago) link

Sturridge has gone to Chelsea BTW.

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 May 2020 12:50 (four years ago) link

You'd a decent shine out of Il Duce.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:19 (four years ago) link

that zarah sultana video doing the rounds is pretty righteous

imago, Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:24 (four years ago) link

if only there was some way to share it here on the ilxor dot com uk politics thraed

F--k She's so right! pic.twitter.com/ofOukU4nzb

— cabbieaz (@azizbassman70) May 22, 2020

imago, Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:27 (four years ago) link

It's great if Michael Rosen is recovering.

A terrific, courageous, principled, critical commentator on the terrible things that happen in our country.

the pinefox, Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link

xp Zarah Sultana getting praised by cabbies was not a development I expected

gyac, Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link

Fantastic seeing faces from all over the world at @borussia_en pic.twitter.com/7J9GVfbZyN

— David 🇸🇷 (@di1cox) May 23, 2020

gyac, Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link

Watching the government briefing on periscope and the comments are furious, my God

gyac, Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link

Hold up is Cummings' son really 24 lmao

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link


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