Bronze iirc.
― ShariVari, Monday, 8 June 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
'Justice will follow' anti-racism protest clashes
Gonnae guess this BBC headline doesn't lead to what you'd hope.
― BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Monday, 8 June 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
the scrappers have been asleep in recent weeks, there was a beautiful wrought iron gate just sitting there for weeks outside one of the houses on "millionaires row" recently!
― calzino, Monday, 8 June 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link
you better have a good functional backyard foundry if you fancy shifting a bronze statue that is all over the news right now, some of these more professional scrappers might but your average copper thief wont!
― calzino, Monday, 8 June 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
i think my absolute favorite thing on this website is the way you can spot a calzino post inside the first half dozen words.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 June 2020 22:14 (three years ago) link
(not a joke, i love it, great poster)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 June 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link
lol way too generous, but thanks anyway!
― calzino, Monday, 8 June 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link
Lol
#SittingInLimbo epitomises the unimaginable suffering endured by the Windrush generation. On behalf of successive governments, I apologise again to victims & their families. I will do all I can to ensure @ukhomeoffice protects & listens to every part of the community it serves.— Priti Patel (@pritipatel) June 8, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 June 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
She is laughing at all of us.
― glumdalclitch, Monday, 8 June 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link
"Only £360,000 of a compensation pot meant to pay out £500m has been distributed"
there are other ways to apologise for such a crime against humanity other than more worthless fucking lip service from the dead eyed psychotic daughter of a former UKIP candidate
― calzino, Monday, 8 June 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link
"face the full force of the law" is a statement implying and encouraging police brutality so of course Johnson ended his statement with it
― nashwan, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 09:36 (three years ago) link
Meesa surely Jar Jar Binks wish yess. Weesa say nosa— Layla Moran 🔶 (@LaylaMoran) June 8, 2020
Keir Starmer you are finished! please make way for our next leader
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 09:37 (three years ago) link
lol, was just about to post that.
Genuinely impressed how quickly politicians and the press have managed to pivot to making analysis of racism in the UK, at a time thousands of BAME people are dying needlessly of an avoidable disease, an argument about whether statues need to be reviewed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/sadiq-khan-orders-review-of-all-london-statues-for-slavery-links
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 09:41 (three years ago) link
cursed tweet. mods ban user alphabet pls
― ||||||||, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 09:41 (three years ago) link
Top story on the Guardian website - statues, next story, Boris Johnson's statement on BLM and statues, next story, Sadiq commits to reviewing statues...
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 09:43 (three years ago) link
Bronze Racists Matter
― Subverted by buggery (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link
There's a huge amount of great, positive energy out there but you'd be forgiven for thinking that racism ended 200 years ago and the debate should be about how we memorialise it.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 09:56 (three years ago) link
instead of getting stuck on statues, let's move on to this
If we’re gonna talk about the UK’s history with slavery, how about we talk about the MPs whose money + power comes from slavery?Thread:— Griff Ferris (@g__ferris) June 8, 2020
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:08 (three years ago) link
Putting on my mask for a day trip to the statue museum
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link
that's excellent work xp
― rolling keyring (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link
lol no shock that Drax is the first name in the thread.
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:20 (three years ago) link
a literal supervillain
― Prosecutor Bradley Tankerton (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:24 (three years ago) link
And a power station to boot.
― Subverted by buggery (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link
he definitely looks like an evil plantation boss
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:26 (three years ago) link
plantation but turns out it was in ulster
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:30 (three years ago) link
lol the plunketts predate the plantation, it's some proto-tudor shit
wikipedia sentence casting the shade here: "Debrett's single sourceless sentence on the subject describes the charter of 1439 as a writ, although Cokayne denies that Ireland recognised the creation of peerages by writ; some websites have copied Debrett"
cokayne: helluvadrug
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link
I feel like an absolutely massive churl but i honestly care less about what Drax's ancestors did in the 1700s than what Priti Patel is doing now. I'm fully on board with the idea that fundamental change isn't going to happen until Britain properly understands and reckons with the legacy of colonialism but at a point where people in the US are looking at ways to think beyond policing, the UK government has just forced through a new immigration bill that will severely impact the rights of migrants, there are allegations of suppressed / ignored evidence in the BAME COVID report, the hostile environment policy still guides immigration strategy despite promises it wouldn't, etc, etc, it might as well be a psy-op.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link
Isn’t the point that many of the UK’s establishment got their wealth through slavery and many of those people are in positions of power today? But yes, agree on you being a colossal churl.
― gyac, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:41 (three years ago) link
sv and gyac otm
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:42 (three years ago) link
❤️❤️❤️
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:42 (three years ago) link
these things are deeply connected and agitation that churns up the deep placid assumptions abt the eternal truths of the british is where genuine movement comes and can somewhat stick: this is norman-yoke shit
it absolutely needs the two seemingly difft things being fought for tho
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xIO33l7RlmLR4I/giphy.gif
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:47 (three years ago) link
cok-ay-ne knee's up.
(that's all i have)
the del-boy through the bar thing makes me think that maybe rolling a statue into the river in bristol should become a yearly event. there are worse. could be new statues, made especially, topical, like the effigies in lewes.
― koogs, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link
I was watching that Jane Elliott piece on racism that was done here and the levels of resistance and blindness to privilege were unreal. People here complaining about Trump’s birthright citizenship proposals while Thatcher passed that legislation before I was even born. So yeah the conversation here is really behind in many ways.
― gyac, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:49 (three years ago) link
They're absolutely connected but shifting the focus of action back to Oxbridge and Rhodesia is territory the UK establishment is fundamentally comfortable with imo.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:50 (three years ago) link
But yes, both,
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:51 (three years ago) link
highlighting the racism entrenched in the state now helps to spike the guns of all the "they've got nothing to complain about" scumbags to some extent
― rolling keyring (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:52 (three years ago) link
it's not at all comfy abt the issue of long-standing land ownership and predatory landlordism
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 10:53 (three years ago) link
when you think about the era when Britain was like the Saudi Arabia of coal and all these landowners also owned the "underground plantations" on their land and made huge profits from paying poverty wages in dangerous working conditions that also exploited child labour, they can't be comfortable with that part of their ancestral legacy.
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:10 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't put any amount of "we provided decent jobs by the standard of the times and weren't you lot all moaning about closing the mines wtf" past them
― stet, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:16 (three years ago) link
I admit I've never heard the phrase "Norman Yoke" before, but sure, blaming stuff on foreigners is as close to an eternal truth of England as you'll get.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:17 (three years ago) link
Frequently, critics following the Norman yoke model would claim Alfred the Great or Edward the Confessor as models of justice. In this context, the Magna Carta is seen as an attempt to restore pre-Conquest English rights, if only for the gentry. When Sir Edward Coke reorganised the English legal system, he was keen to claim that the grounds of English common law were beyond the memory or register of any beginning and preexisted the Norman conquest, although he did not use the phrase "Norman yoke".
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link
t/s: English coke vs Norman yokes
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:19 (three years ago) link
What did Layla Moran say about STAR WARS?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link
"Meesa surely Jar Jar Binks wish yess. Weesa say nosa"
" "
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:23 (three years ago) link
its tricky bc by the time things grow prominent enough in the discourse to be noticed by ppl who don't normally pay attention they are so simplified/symbolic/superficial that they are always going to be a distraction to some extent and can be dealt with in a similarly symbolic/superficial fashion. wider anger about those things doesn't transfer to the specific details of whatever the latest policy/govt action is unless you have some sort of actually functioning representative democracy or other strong representative institutions.
remember when it was clear cummings had to go and all the focus was on that
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link
normans are just yr standard invaders that end up sitting atop society earning resentment, eternal mb but not particularly english
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:29 (three years ago) link
the constitutional reforms of the 1830s-40s plus the institutional of empire in its post-mutiny form took much of the sting out of "norman yoke" rhetoric as a rough guide to the shape of injustice as felt at the time, and it generally fell out of use except among crackpots (me)
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:29 (three years ago) link
oh lol can somebody trawl back thru the thread and see who had money on DomCum to be gone by now
― rolling keyring (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:29 (three years ago) link
Normans anglicized themselves eventually altho important not to lose sight of the fact that aristocrats are always transnational because not actually human
― rolling keyring (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:30 (three years ago) link
I'm puzzled why Moran posted that. Now unavailable?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link