A lot of funny posts just now.
Question.
People on this thread now seem to assume that BJ will stop being PM, eg next year or before the next election.
Why? What circumstances could be contrived to make this happen?
if he doesn't want to stop, I don't see how he can be stopped. And even if he did want to, it would be an odd event.
― the pinefox, Friday, 12 June 2020 09:42 (three years ago) link
some kind of speech regarding batsmen at the crease is required, aiui
― stet, Friday, 12 June 2020 09:46 (three years ago) link
I think the most likely scenario is that his fundamental laziness will kick in and he'll decide he can't be bothered going through an election campaign that is showing every sign of being much more difficult than the last one. On the other hand Tories love a bit of regicide so it depends what happens to the polls, in local elections etc.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:05 (three years ago) link
no obvious reason he can't remain PM and do fuck all, he's done it throughout this
― plax (ico), Friday, 12 June 2020 10:08 (three years ago) link
check out them operation ore vets on the times front page guarding the baden-powell statue, lol don't mess with the adult scouts they are tough as teak!
― calzino, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:09 (three years ago) link
just imagining the humiliation of being citizen's arrested by two adult venture scouts!
― calzino, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:12 (three years ago) link
it's like paedo SA
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link
But BJ needs a rationale for quitting as PM. Having been elected, quitting doesn't look logical.
Maybe the rationale would be: 'We have delivered Brexit'.
Or maybe it would be: 'I am ill'.
But I'm not sure I see any of this actually happening.
― the pinefox, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link
NEW @IpsosMORI / Evening Standard - Starmer holds best net satisfaction scores for a leader of the opposition since Blair- But Johnson still holds narrow lead over Starmer on 'most capable PM'Context important - read on for more... pic.twitter.com/eNZ7VPrqm3— Keiran Pedley (@keiranpedley) June 12, 2020
― stet, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:28 (three years ago) link
imo bj's rationale is "i died of covid in march 2020, rip me, nigerian_funeral.gif"
― mark s, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link
I think the party will want to keep him in place until the chalice looks less poisoned
― rumpy riser (ogmor), Friday, 12 June 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link
how wld starmzy aim to beat sunak or even gove
― rumpy riser (ogmor), Friday, 12 June 2020 10:30 (three years ago) link
forensically
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 10:32 (three years ago) link
Johnson has attained a level of personal adulation amongst a section of the public - xenophobe Brexiters mostly i guess - that seems unlikely to completely evaporate no matter how bad things get
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link
I don't think Sunak or Gove will come out of the economic / social fallout unscathed, even if Johnson takes the brunt of the blame.
It's also worth remembering that Starmer's apparent lack of a firm set of policy positions comes in a context where he hasn't particularly needed to have one to draw level with Johnson.
― ShariVari, Friday, 12 June 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link
He's actually following the Cameron playbook rather than the Blair one, the idea that you don't need to have an explicitly stated set of policy positions this far off an election, you just need to set the idea "this guy seems to know what he's doing" in the minds of enough voters. You can afford for people to project onto you a bit as long as they have a firm and positive enough idea what they're going to get from you a year or so before an election. Cameron barely had any policies for years beyond some vague green/hug a hoodie stuff.
FWIW I think Gove is personally repellent to a lot of voters in a way Sunak might not be (beyond the obvious). There's a lot of completely irrational and sometimes regressive psychological stuff that goes into people's voting choices that is distinct from policy positions, so things like mood music do matter more than we would perhaps like them to. In terms of political brand-builders Boris is probably the most successful since Blair and maybe more so than even him. A lot of people who could identify with themselves as Boris voters wouldn't necessarily feel the same way about Gove or Sunak - and the same is true of the reverse to some extent.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 11:00 (three years ago) link
Although arguably the Cameron project was about concealing as much of what he intended to do as possible for as long as possible.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 11:05 (three years ago) link
Has been stated already but Sunak's 'popularity' is set to nosedive along with the economy. Not that he's actually popular outside of the media.
― Subverted by buggery (Tom D.), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:11 (three years ago) link
I think he is popular among people who don't pay that much attention, because he appeared to be taking fast, direct and decisive action in a crisis that also happened to save a lot of people's livelihoods (at least temporarily). It's easy to be popular when you're basically spraying a firehose of cash around.
The truth is they originally weren't going to do furlough at all, it was pressure from business groups, unions and the general public that convinced them. Also probably a realisation of how big a disaster it would have been without it.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link
jesus can you imagine? either the death toll would be geometrically higher or the DWP would have collapsed by now
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link
The conservative estimate was 20% unemployment and it would probably have been impossible for them to come back from that even if Ian Huntley had won the Labour leadership contest.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 11:20 (three years ago) link
visions of Huntley getting a warm welcome from melt Twitter as a huge step up
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link
#Breaking Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has said he has “formally confirmed” to the EU the UK will not extend the Brexit transition period, adding: “The moment for extension has now passed” pic.twitter.com/YY6FbgdLyv— PA Media (@PA) June 12, 2020
― stet, Friday, 12 June 2020 11:26 (three years ago) link
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee e e e e e e e e e
splat
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:28 (three years ago) link
Time for our regular scheduled “thanks a bunch cuks and dems” I guess
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:28 (three years ago) link
lol we’re all gonna die
― Prosecutor Bradley Tankerton (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:30 (three years ago) link
Still wonder what would have happened if they'd been intelligent or flexible or strategic enough to vote through Kenneth Clarke's customs union motion last year.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 11:31 (three years ago) link
Do they actually think the country will be back to normality by next February? It's almost as if they're clueless fools, yoked to their pet project as it rolls over the Cliffs of Dover and twirls downward in stately billows of idiocy to the cruel waters of the English Channel.
― bleach drinkers and health erasers (Matt #2), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:34 (three years ago) link
it's almost as if any consequences for them and their backers will be positive
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:40 (three years ago) link
It's a good job nothing's going to happen in the next few months that might take the EU's attention off negotiations.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 11:43 (three years ago) link
Boris on TV at the moment looking like an extra from a George Romero movie.
― Subverted by buggery (Tom D.), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:55 (three years ago) link
back to himself then
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:58 (three years ago) link
LOL director obv. got bored with his crap and cut to the adverts in the middle of one of his perorations.
― Subverted by buggery (Tom D.), Friday, 12 June 2020 11:59 (three years ago) link
This Brexit-or-death thing today is probably the answer to PF's question. They're laying turf for a constitutional crisis here – the deal as planned is going to do hard-to-guess but likely extreme things to N. Ireland politics, and the Scottish elections are coming up next year post-actual-Brexit too. It's going to make the poll tax look like accounting regulation changes.
― stet, Friday, 12 June 2020 12:28 (three years ago) link
Brexit AND death svp
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Friday, 12 June 2020 12:29 (three years ago) link
NEW: Emily Sheffield has taken over as editor of the Evening Standard. George Osborne will move to the role of editor-in-chief after three years as editor.— Press Gazette (@pressgazette) June 12, 2020
― stet, Friday, 12 June 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
Emily Sheffield 'Samantha Cameron's sister' Emily Sheffield?
― ShariVari, Friday, 12 June 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link
That's her. Oh also: Sage announcing R is up to 0.8-1 in England, up to 1.1 in SW.
― stet, Friday, 12 June 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link
Osborne has also been appointed official ES Milk Monitor.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link
I must say he learned on the job fast, imagine getting a promotion like that after only three years! Ooh he's so clever, that George fella.
― bleach drinkers and health erasers (Matt #2), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link
that rise in the southwest must be because of BLM oh wait
― comparing me to Harold Shipman is unfair (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link
Emily Sheffield started her career at the Standard and is at least qualified for the job.
― santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:18 (three years ago) link
1.1 in the SW isn't great but it's had the lowest infection rate of any region I believe so it isn't a disaster as long as they can get it down again quickly.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
so we’re lifting restrictions as the R0 is rising.brilliant!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 June 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link
churchill in a coffin, i know, i know, it's really serious
https://i.imgur.com/i6Zqb36.jpg
― Prosecutor Bradley Tankerton (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 June 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
There was some Tory MP ranting that at the moment they're relaxing everything too slowly to really help the economy and too quickly to keep the epidemic under control. Brilliant stuff.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link
Tory MP otm
― plax (ico), Friday, 12 June 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/C771/production/_112875015_optimised-covid-uk.gdp_monthly-nc.png
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
The difference between 2008 and 2020 is making my head spin, given how enormous, wide-ranging and lasting the consequences of the financial crisis turned out to be.
― Matt DC, Friday, 12 June 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
i keep saying this but 2020 is going to look like a lost paradise compared to what i suspect is on the menu.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 June 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link