xpost good point, this was not the thread to be heading up this diversion on, so I apologize
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 13:46 (four years ago) link
Straw/camel's back.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 13:51 (four years ago) link
I'm bookmarking that video for later
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 13:53 (four years ago) link
many of you need to spend less time on the internet or at least ILX
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link
Will happily send PDF of Gilmore's work if you message me
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 14:03 (four years ago) link
I’d love a pdf, table. Email in profile works.
― rb (soda), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 14:13 (four years ago) link
Yeah, that Gilmore video is great and an excellent primer
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 15:16 (four years ago) link
https://www.laopera.org/discover/laoathome/lift-every-voice/https://www.instagram.com/operaisracist/
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
appreciate this convo. I've been personally internally chewing on the utility or inutility of "BIPOC" from a few directions--its political utility, descriptive utility (neither of which i'm convinced of at the moment) as well as who seems to be using it.https://t.co/M2J4BvnVoE— wikipedia brown is behind the fireworks. surprise (@eveewing) June 30, 2020
― j., Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
i can understand the frustration with BIPOC in its flattening use as "not white."
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:27 (four years ago) link
But over time, miles-hercules says, the term “people of color” lost its political force. “It then became a way to just kind of group all nonwhite people together in ways that weren’t necessarily productive,” they say. “In my own work as a linguist, and from my own perspective as a linguist, I see this as an erasure, which I consider a linguistic violence.”
putting aside my own kneejerk revulsion to claims of things like "linguistic violence" i think miles-hercules just expects too much that all uses of language be productive in every instantiation. the process by which radical political language gets smoothed out is inevitable and ultimately ppl need words that are merely descriptive/pragmatic. if you tell them that X is the right term and not Y they'll gravitate towards X but you'll inevitably lose the radical component. i don't see a way out of this - you can't create language that is radical enough for its imparted politics survive its own mainstreaming and you can't [reasonably] demand that ppl bring political consciousness to every conversation much of which is be purely functional or mundane. if you ever wondered why the terms keep getting updated possibly it's out of a misguided attempt to outrun this process?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
Soda, will send later this afternoon. Away from the laptop atm
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link
Apologies if this is the wrong thread, but is there a good article or link that puts more context to the march in front of the crazy armed lawyers' house in STL? I'm seeing a barrage of people defending the couple because "the protesters tore down the fence" (not that even that would have excused two clearly untrained idiots to wave guns around with fingers on triggers and safeties off), but I haven't seen one single angle or video that shows anything of the sort.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
ex-St. Louisan here.
1. There is a gate blocking vehicles. Not pedestrians. Pretty sure there is an open entrance for pedestrians and sidewalk is still public. Lots of streets in that neighborhood are that way. You can walk through - and sometimes people do, just to get to another street, but not drive through.
2. I have seen photos of *a* gate bent downwards and partly torn away, but I can't confirm which street gate that is, or when it was bent, etc. It's irrelevant to the pedestrian situation.
3. As you note, Jesus fucking Christ if anyone is more concerned about the gate than the injustice being protested, or more than the sheer fuckedupedness of posing like Rambo in a pink polo shirt.... gah
― zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link
Thanks, just trying to understand more and sort through the disinformation. There's a lot of morons defending these two, some I'm unfortunately related to, on a lot of grounds and I want to be able to more confidently discredit some of the more obvious bullshit.
Sounds pretty similar to some streets I've seen in north shore suburbs - closed to vehicular traffic, but openings on the sidewalks to allow pedestrians to pass through easily.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link
https://www.curbed.com/2020/6/29/21306868/st-louis-gun-couple-protest-street
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:32 (four years ago) link
Thanks for that link, in orbit.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
This video is instructive
In this video you can see protestors walk right through the gate. It’s not destroyed when they walk onto the street. You can hear McCloskey, “get the hell out of my neighborhood.” pic.twitter.com/ZbBNP2Xc4v— Alexis Zotos (@alexiszotos) June 29, 2020
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:55 (four years ago) link
Thanks, hadn't seen that one.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
This property is BOTH public and private. The residences are private. (Homes tend to be that way.) The roads and sidewalks are maintained by the city, and therefore... *drumroll*... PUBLIC.I know this, because zoning is public record. There are like, maps and shit. pic.twitter.com/k7mGmhMS6m— Shane Morris (@IamShaneMorris) June 29, 2020
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
Different topic: I thought this was very goodhttps://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-messy-politics-of-black-voices-and-black-voice-in-american-animation
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
(I was reminded how shallow the pool of human black characters is, recently, when I attempted to find my cartoon doppelgänger to participate in the “cartoon me” meme circulating on Twitter.)
man, it's this shit. over and over.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
i'm old enough to remember sucking on an otter pop and watching Channel 17 reruns of amos and andy on a black-and-white television with a wire hanger antenna
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link
(which is to say, as if it were necessary, this shit is not ancient; it's recent)
This is pretty satisfying to see (long overdue, but still).
https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/2020/07/01/stonewall-jackson-richmond-va-confederate-statues-civil-war-general-us-history/5358621002/
― zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/banking-while-black-racism-trnd/index.html
Benndrick Watson's story is insane
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 2 July 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
That Sauntore Thomas one I remember as being particularly fucked up. Guy was cashing a settlement check from an anti-discrimination suit, right? And then he had the cops called on him for trying to cash the settlement check. Absurdly racist.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
reminds me of this case that happened here in Vancouver late last year https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/indigenous-girl-grandfather-handcuffed-bank-1.5419519
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
Fucking shameful. Did BMO end up taking action beyond issuing a lame semi-apology?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
I don't believe so
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/H6FMe1S.gif
― Nhex, Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, July 2, 2020 3:57 PM bookmarkflaglink
how does one just "accidentally" say a racial slur in the midst of doing a transaction, and try to play it off like anybody coulda made that "mistake".....
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 July 2020 02:36 (four years ago) link
perhaps he was casually quoting The Coup
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 3 July 2020 03:19 (four years ago) link
I think he was nervously looking for a chance to bring out his mixtape and overstepped
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 3 July 2020 10:49 (four years ago) link
Thomas Jefferson Portrait Recreated By His Sixth Great-Grandson
It's fascinating because the chin is there, the cheekbones are there...the second you look at it, you think, "Yep, those two are related."
https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2020/07/thomasjefferson_shannonlanier.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 3 July 2020 17:00 (four years ago) link
https://bloomingtonian.com/2020/07/05/bloomington-man-threatened-with-noose-during-assault-at-lake-monroe/
Terrifying.
― peace, man, Monday, 6 July 2020 11:55 (three years ago) link
was just about to post about that.
that is a terrifying story. the videos...ugh. it makes me so deeply ashamed of my upbringing. i recognize those "kind" of people, which is a rude way to characterize people, i know, but fuck, i KNOW those racist assholes, every single one of them in the video, from the old racist drunk guy to the young racist girl holding a beer can while a man almost gets lynched, to the drunk guy who is sort of trying to help but can't speak, the dumb fucking racist bystander who stands there 10 feet away doing absolutely nothing. etc etc. i fucking hate all of them.
just as i was typing that, an old friend of mine (grew up in the same area) said pretty much the same exact thing to me, unprompted. he said "i feel like i've seen these exact people before in Missouri, even though I obviously haven't".
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
Fuck, that is scary.
― jmm, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
i hope every single one of them is identified
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link
the one time Doxing would be justified and just
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
multiple people on twitter are fainting about "irregardless" now being a word according to merriam webster. english has a million contradictions in it and prescriptivism, particularly about 'irregardless', is racist and classist.
― carin' (map), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link
I'm cool with 'irregardless' but 'I could care less' is indefensible.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link
irregardless has been a word forever, why do these self appointed language experts refuse to learn how language works or what dictionaries do
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:37 (three years ago) link
I could care less is fine, I’m a huge fan of the non-literal literally
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
language pedants are the worst
― carin' (map), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
i used to kind of be one and i was kind of the worst
― carin' (map), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:40 (three years ago) link
"Can I use the restroom?"
"I don't know, can you?"
"gtfo out of my way you pedantic cockface"
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
'Literally' is hyperbole whereas 'I could care less' is just a fuck you to meaning, which I guess I should endorse, since I hate it too.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
xpost the previous example actually was my linguist friend's biggest bugbear for a while
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link
"i could care less" is just "i don't give a fuck" for uptight people
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link