Any group of people who self-claim the title of "intellectual community" is automatically deducted points even before they file their first manifesto.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 2 July 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link
what kind of creepy liberal thought leader cult doesn’t even have steven pinker
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
Guys stop belittling our freedoms
― Committee of Public Scampi (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link
oh yeah they overlooked steven pinker maybe he'll sign on later
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:42 (three years ago) link
I love how this thread goes from idk is this really a thing why is it bad to this is obviously a thing and it’s terrible
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:48 (three years ago) link
Yascha Mounk hasn't said anything about Bolivia lately right?
― JoeStork, Friday, 3 July 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link
but free speech isn't being curtailed if the government isn't preventing it. There's a reason why I can't just walk into my business and shout "EY, SUCK MY OLIVE-OIL SCENTED DICK K THX" and expect to still have my job the next day.― Neanderthal, Monday, July 1, 2013 10:30 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Neanderthal, Monday, July 1, 2013 10:30 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
It's very normal and cool that there's now an entire magazine devoted to ensuring that Neanderthal can just walk into his business and shout "EY, SUCK MY OLIVE-OIL SCENTED DICK K THX" and expect to still have his job the next day.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 July 2020 03:39 (three years ago) link
If they had called it "EY, SUCK MY OLIVE-OIL SCENTED DICK K THX" instead of Persuasion I honestly think it would have a better chance at being a going concern.
I do think there are cases where freedom of expression should be protected from incursions other than just the government and maybe this outlet will be a good voice; hard to say anything at this point, though.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Friday, 3 July 2020 22:09 (three years ago) link
It's entirely possible for a media oligopoly to shut out alternate viewpoints without the government stepping in at all - giving them free rein through the abolition of net neutrality, for instance.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 3 July 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link
Yeah, anyone on the left should be very wary of essentially delegating the final authority over individuals' speech and expression to employers and/or media platforms imo.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Friday, 3 July 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
A statement signed by 150 people incl. Bill T. Jones, Wynton Marsalis, Jennifer Finney Boylan, Noam Chomsky, J.K. Rowling, Margaret Atwood, and Salman Rushdie expresses concern over the illiberal trend intensified by our national reckoning.https://t.co/4zPjuPNXBu— Harper's Magazine (@Harpers) July 7, 2020
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link
those schmucks wish this were creepy liberalism
― j., Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:25 (three years ago) link
It’s such a great term bc it allows maximum ambiguity between creepy idpol ppl PC controlling speech and creepy anti idpol ppl using phantasm of the former to promote creepy opinions.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
There's No Such Thing as Free Speech, and It's a Good Thing, Too.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
And Here's Why: Suck an Egg
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
this letter is like coachella for bad faith takes writers
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
J3ss3 Sing@l is probably behind this
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
this is like the usual list plus a few surprises
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:48 (three years ago) link
is Chomsky mad that people still dunk on him for being pro-khmer rouge or is it people getting mad at him for always telling us to vote democrat while being an "anarchist" that has him shook?
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link
I see at least 2 ppl on the Lolita Express flight logs
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link
Never Have I Ever… Said 'It's Complicated'.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link
Chomsky mad and shook would be something to behold
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
Liberals gonna liberal.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
I'm also going to say it: Reginald Dwayne Betts is a shitty fucking poet, and that the white poetry establishment is exploiting him and his story is remarkably easy to discern to anyone paying attention
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
chomsky has always been v pro free speech for fascists
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:20 (three years ago) link
basically
That letter in Harper’s: Instructive to see this during a Black-led revolution against systemic racism and brutality in all institutions - not just the police.At a time when voices long kept out of institutions are heard, so many voices most buoyed by institutions complain.— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) July 7, 2020
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
noam agonizing over killer mike admitting to having read him
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
did bill cosby sign this letter
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
lol
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
xp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
are they calling themselves Coalition of the Cancelled yet?
― Committee of Public Scampi (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:11 (three years ago) link
It’s just so dopey. like 97 times out of 100 I’m probably going to be a freeze peach guy but this shit just reeks of monocled dorks mad that people ruthlessly dunk on them online. Just fuck off back to your untaxed unearned inheritance and let people have fun at your expense ffs
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link
Never let it be said that Ivy League education doesn't reduce one to a gibbering imbecile.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link
Every time we or an expert shows the folly and wrongness of bad science, another asshole comes along promulgating it, which forces uni administrators and faculty to use gross capitalist terms like The Marketplace of Ideas. They want debate, but what's the point? To debate these spineless bimbos is to set yourself up for exhaustion. No one learns a thing.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link
Could have a poll on most depressing signature to find on here, for me it's a close call between Chomsky and John McWhorter. Lolz at Wynton Marsalis being there.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
did someone say something nice about free jazz?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link
Free jazz is a vehicle for 'a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity' iirc.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:45 (three years ago) link
Matthew Yglesias & Jeet Heer but no Matt Taibbi
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link
doesn't McWhorter complain about lefty stuff all the time, or on his podcast with Glenn Loury at least
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link
a little surprised to see Dahlia Lithwick
I don't follow McWhorter's political stuff at all, I dare not, but his excellent writing and lectures on linguistics was my way in to the subject and so I still feel a need to defend him for some stupid reason.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
xp yes he does, he's been working a lucrative side career as a sensible-voice-of-reason for years now
― j., Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
I can spot the posters who are v pro-free speech for anyone who agrees with them
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
i deleted such a scorcher from the post box lol. you guys would have been so owned. it was gonna be sweeeeeet
― lumen (esby), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
debate is wank but free speechers don’t even want that they just want the plebs to shut up and do as they say. bourgeois liberalism is basically the alt right now
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
Would be nice just to have an official proclamation of exactly what "free speech" means from every world government which would then be prominently displayed in public places.
Anyone who publicly disagreed with it should then be given a show trial and be sent to work in the salt mines, that would stop Count dankula making those stupid fucking videos for a start.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
it's interesting that the cultural/meme-ic uptake was for the idea of 'cancellation', presumably a direct transfer from the cancellation of shows because of (moral) scandals befalling/perpetrated by the creative staff for them (or sometimes entirely within their content), because the people who complain most about it now seem to enjoy many of the perks of the opposite, viz. being culturally scheduled. the idea of a 'platform' is like that, but it doesn't get at the same way in which these people have a presumption to always have attention come back around to them, and to be broadcast to people who choose from a small range of options (channels). and obviously it's helped to exceed the bounds of that framework by political polarization and narrow horizons of possibilities, to become the idea that anyone and everyone within a certain scope / past a certain level is entitled to the perks of espousing some point of view which is systemically bound to be repeated at certain intervals in a rightful order.
― j., Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
how do you pin a tweet on a thread
a bunch of rich people are tired of getting feedback— octave (@curtofranklin) July 7, 2020
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link
The circle of concern of intellectuals has become so narrow and insular that it's basically a defense of its own class issues in the guise of statements about freedom. There is no interest whatsoever in the crises facing the nation at large.— John Ganz (@lionel_trolling) July 7, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link