qanon is right that there are business and political elites who use their power to abuse people and get away with it.
That's like saying "flat-earthers are right that the planet has a well-defined shape."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 July 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
Call me a sheeple if you must, but I am skeptical about the existence of an "elite ring of pedophiles that secretly control the government"
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 3 July 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link
the “elite ring” or the “globalist cabal” or whatever you think is controlling everything and actively making literally everything worse is just capitalism.and the folks who won capitalism like to fuck kids.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 3 July 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link
I didn’t say I believed that?
― treeship., Friday, 3 July 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link
Moo-ha-ha-cAfee
― peace, man, Friday, 3 July 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
the thing that always puzzles me with these things is like, there's *already* a lefit conspiracy—in this case, people in power actually did conspire to run a pedophile ring. Why isn't that enough?
The term "conspiracy theory" should be retired and replaced w/ something that specifically denotes batshit craziness, because conspiracies are real things and people can rationally theorize about them.
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 3 July 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link
legit
I was restating the core of QAnon. I don’t believe in that pedophiles “control the government.” However if Epstein was originally given a light sentence and then allowed to continue his abuse because he “belongs to intelligence,” as acosta said, it’s hard to blame the Q people for exaggerating the scope of the problem!
― treeship., Friday, 3 July 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link
But yeah. Obviously there was a conspiracy to run a child trafficking ring and Epstein and Maxwell were at the center of it. The “theory” part is that we don’t know who else was involved.
― treeship., Friday, 3 July 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
it’s hard to blame the Q people
phrases i didn't expect to read today
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 3 July 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
frankly despite his seemingly constant presence i kind of doubt clinton was involved, otherwise I think we would have heard a specific accusation against him by this point.
― akm, Friday, 3 July 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
(xp) I don't know why, we had 'qanon is right' earlier today.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
Out of context
― treeship., Friday, 3 July 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
I was restating the core of QAnon.
Pretty much every conspiracy theory out there is built around a few grains of truth, which are made to support vast mansions of crazy. In such cases, the tiny underlying truths become irrelevant to the enterprise.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Friday, 3 July 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
Not sure, "They've got a point, you know", is the best way to deal with them tbh
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
Literally the only good thing about cricket is the fact that after exporting it Britain is now soundly thrashed by her colonies on the regular. Long may this continue
― glumdalclitch, Friday, 3 July 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
Wrong thread but there must be a conspiracy theory in there somewhere - remember Bob Woolmer.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
shit
― glumdalclitch, Friday, 3 July 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
Hansie Cronje...
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
how do you pronounce ghislaine? is it like .. jizz lane?
― carin' (map), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/08/pronounce-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link
really wish people would stop it with the "hard g" / "soft g" thing, no idea which is which and it's linguistically meaningless, at best.It has only just occurred to me that Americans / British people under 35 or so will likely be unfamiliar with Robert Maxwell and what a dodgy fucker he was.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
Tbf on Maxwell most of his financial dodginess is standard practise now, no need to go for a swimmy whimmy if you've been raiding pension funds!
― calzino, Friday, 3 July 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link
Maxwell snr obv
ghislaine is pronounced like gilet with an 'n' at the end i assumed?
― plax (ico), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
Gill-Lane I think
― treeship., Friday, 3 July 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
actually its pronounced "pedophile"
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
It wasn't only in financial matters he was dodgy.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
What a family!
the “elite ring” or the “globalist cabal” or whatever you think is controlling everything and actively making literally everything worse is just capitalism.
and the folks who won capitalism like to fuck kids.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, July 3, 2020 4:19 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
qft
― carin' (map), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link
1 percenter sociopaths = the kind of people who get off on control over other people with minimal respect for repercussions or agency = hmm i wonder what sexual profile fits that kind of person
― carin' (map), Friday, 3 July 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
Zhiss-lenn. The Gh iz a Zh, as in the Zhdanov Doctrine.
― pomenitul, Friday, 3 July 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
Maxwell tabloid presslord allowed to roam financial and other outlands because (for one thing) also intelligence asset, isn't that more or less accepted narrative line? I could look it up
― dow, Friday, 3 July 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
Oh wait, is she his daughter or something??
― dow, Friday, 3 July 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
Maxwell had a flamboyant lifestyle, living in Headington Hill Hall in Oxford, from which he often flew in his helicopter, and sailed in his luxury yacht, the Lady Ghislaine.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link
Looking at the other Maxwell kids on wikipedia, they all seem to have made lots of money from tech companies you haven't heard of who just do government contract stuff.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 3 July 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
my earliest memory of Robert Maxwell was when some crappy book of his was being serialised in his main tabloid in the early 80's and there was an advert on tv (remember when tabloids used to advertise on tv) that described some brilliant quixotic character that escaped the nazis and so on.
― calzino, Friday, 3 July 2020 20:20 (three years ago) link
He does have a pretty heroic life story up to the mid 1950s or so, do have to wonder how much of it is spin of course.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 3 July 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link
Lord Kagan also had a very colourful life and some suspected he worked for the Soviet Union. A friend of my brother had an older sister who was employed by Kagan as a secretary and also was his lover. my brother's friend use to jokingly call her The Whore which was typical sibling bantz back then!
― calzino, Friday, 3 July 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link
This is my earliest memory of him; still makes me laugh
https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/covers/full/651_big.jpg
― piscesx, Friday, 3 July 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link
actually looking at his wiki I don't think Kagan was a spy, for some reason I had the idea in my head he was suspected of it. He did his time when he got caught!
― calzino, Friday, 3 July 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link
No, it was Harold Wilson that was the spy, remember?
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link
He can't stop himself.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcBz6UsWsAENMan.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 3 July 2020 20:48 (three years ago) link
xpA Soviet spy that eats cold pork pies with brown sauce and is a staunch royalist would be pretty good cover!
― calzino, Friday, 3 July 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
I think supporting Huddersfield Town would be the best cover.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
I think his frequent business trips to the USSR for his day job raised some eyebrows within British secret services, but as soon as they found out he was a Town supporter it was case closed.
― calzino, Friday, 3 July 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link
Dershowitz knows how to cloud people's minds. Presumption of innocence is a legal doctrine that applies only to cases being adjudicated in court and then only to the judge or members of the jury. Bystanders aren't required to believe someone is innocent of a crime until convicted; it's just a courtesy one chooses to extend in the hope it would be reciprocated if you were in their place.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Friday, 3 July 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
"Prince Andrew had arranged the tour of Buckingham Palace for President Bill Clinton. According to a source, Kevin Spacey was a guest of Mr Clinton’s. Ghislaine Maxwell had come along as a friend of the Duke." Pair posed as The Queen & Prince Phillip. 5/ https://t.co/UjKRfJrABW— Josie Ensor (@Josiensor) July 3, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 July 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link
A lot of people don't know this, but Homer Simpson was drawn with a hidden G and M in honor of Matt Groening's close personal friend, Ghislaine Maxwell pic.twitter.com/qJsLVD5UtL— ☄️ACAB Calloway☄️ (@songforacarter) July 3, 2020
― calzino, Friday, 3 July 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/jDrOxuniId— local student (@bootlicklick) July 4, 2020
― scampos mentis (gyac), Saturday, 4 July 2020 08:25 (three years ago) link
RIP?
https://brownvalleyobserver.com/2020/07/03/ghislaine-maxwell-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19-in-new-hampshire-jail-doj-reports/amp/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 5 July 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
Lol, I got punk'd.
"and the folks who won capitalism like to fuck kids."
was reading some boring history nonsense earlier that mentioned how Phillip IV of Spain decided he wanted to sexually abuse his underage niece so he married her and repeatedly made her pregnant with children that most of either didn't survive through infancy or were born with serious health problems. Thank god now that the elites have modern sex trafficking to prevent them committing legalised incest rape!
― calzino, Monday, 6 July 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link
Watching Dershowitz onthe netflix doco turned my stomach, the way he just baldly said to the camera "she's making this up, say it to my face you wont because you know youre lying". And then he sued Virginia Roberts for defamation anyway.
And his gross teeth. Ugh.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:42 (three years ago) link
this is a deeply gratifying thread for those unfamiliar w/ Norman Finklestein beef
since alan dershowitz is trending, here's a thread of him getting absolutely demolished by norman finkelstein. he was humiliated so badly that afterwards he went out of his way to get finkelstein denied tenure and fired pic.twitter.com/La24HadKJc— ☀️👀 (@zei_squirrel) July 3, 2020
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link
Heard on NBC maybe an hour ago that Maxwell is in the MDC in Brooklyn now.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
She joined Millions of Dead Cops?
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link
Beat me to it.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 01:03 (three years ago) link
lol
Special protocols are in place at the jail where Jeffrey Epstein confidante Ghislaine Maxwell is being held over concerns she may try to kill herself, an official familiar with the matter tells @AP. https://t.co/pKWtqALXmS— The Associated Press (@AP) July 9, 2020
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
Any fears that someone else may kill her or nah?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
Does "Special protocols" mean access by a few but no general oversight? Doesn't sound good.
― nickn, Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link
Just don't let her anywhere near a boat.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/22/the-murky-life-and-death-of-robert-maxwell-and-how-it-shaped-his-daughter-ghislaine
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
I have a hunch special protocols are in place at the jail where Jeffrey Epstein confidante Ghislaine Maxwell is being held over concerns she may *not* try to kill herself.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
That Twitter thread on the Dershowitz/Finkelstein beef should also be posted in the Creepy Liberalism thread. Seems like the hand-wringing liberals love free speech except when its calling out their complacency in ignoring and propping up a literal genocidal apartheid state.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link
i remember when her dad died so vividly! he owned the daily news, which was my favorite paper at the time
― maura, Friday, 10 July 2020 03:38 (three years ago) link
Apologies for the Daily Mail link but an ex-friend claims to have seen videos of two prominent American politicians as well as others engaged in sex with minors:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8512103/Ghislaine-Maxwell-tapes-two-prominent-politicians-having-sex-minors.html
I'm more inclined to believe this than not; if so my guess is the two politicians are the two who were already explicitly accused, Bill Richardson and George Mitchell.
― akm, Saturday, 11 July 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
Where's the mugshot / proof that Gmax is in custody? I know she's in the prison system now but come on. Photo please! Those same friends are wondering if "she got fat." They want to know! We want to know if she's really alive and in custody or not!
― flappy bird, Saturday, 11 July 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link
"WE WANT G-MAX! WE WANT G-MAX!"
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 July 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
we do
― flappy bird, Sunday, 12 July 2020 05:47 (three years ago) link
is there any independent confirmation that this 'William Steel' guy actually knew Maxwell and Epstein, did steal "millions of dollars of jewellery and art for years, all across the United States", was an associate of Robert Durst etc? because this interview makes him sound suspiciously like Aldridge Prior from Viz
He adds: “I only ever had sex with Maxwell and threesomes with her and other adult females.“I suspected what they were doing with the under-age girls, I knew their routine, so when they tried to get me involved, I said, ‘No, I’m not into that — you’re not getting me on video doing any of that’.“One time — it was the second-to-last time I saw them — I was wanted for a serious felony, so to get out of town I went to see them.“I had planned to just go to their house and steal what I could but then I ended up reconnecting with them. She tied me up and had sex with me.“When it came to sex, she was a nymphomaniac.“She was into everything and anything.”
“I suspected what they were doing with the under-age girls, I knew their routine, so when they tried to get me involved, I said, ‘No, I’m not into that — you’re not getting me on video doing any of that’.
“One time — it was the second-to-last time I saw them — I was wanted for a serious felony, so to get out of town I went to see them.
“I had planned to just go to their house and steal what I could but then I ended up reconnecting with them. She tied me up and had sex with me.
“When it came to sex, she was a nymphomaniac.
“She was into everything and anything.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12091701/epstein-maxwell-people-sex-under-age-girls/
― soref, Sunday, 12 July 2020 08:51 (three years ago) link
TS: William Steel vs. Christopher Steele
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 July 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link
God I forgot about Christopher Steele
― Rishi don’t lose my voucher (wins), Sunday, 12 July 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link
As did whoever invented this William Steel character.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 July 2020 10:49 (three years ago) link
yeah the source is clearly a bit shady
― akm, Sunday, 12 July 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link