love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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People must have been imagining all those funerals I guess.

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 10:59 (three years ago) link

We also don't know about how those deaths are recorded if the person dies of a lung condition, or a stroke, or something else that potentially has its roots in a covid case from months before.

Looking at the 'significant normality' plan, the big one appears to be the proposal to have sporting crowds back from October. Thousands of people piling onto the train to the ground is hugely dangerous if the level of infection isn't lower in all parts of the country. Otherwise you're looking at a super-spreading event every time Leicester or Blackburn play either away or at home.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:01 (three years ago) link

Oh good.

BREAKING: PM lifts lockdown further in England...

🚌 Anybody can use public transport from today

đź‘” From 1st August instead of govt telling people to work from home, it'll be up to employers to decide how best staff can work safely

🎳Bowling, skating rinks, casinos to reopen

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) July 17, 2020

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:02 (three years ago) link

not returning to normal until i see pictures of the queen necking a pint in a crowded pub

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:10 (three years ago) link

to my surprise my stepdad has decided not to go back to the pubs so far, the casino though - or the funhouse as he would have it - he'll be back there in a shot.

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:14 (three years ago) link

My dentist still hasn't opened for appointments. I had a filling cancelled in April. I call once a week. They say 'try in a few weeks.' Their explanation is that they still haven't received guidance from the government.

Jesus, don't remind me, I had toothache earlier in the week and was dreading having to go to the dentist - but the pain's disappeared now.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link

employers are not going to react how the government wants, I don't think. You don't volunteer to have your staff get sick in order to help save Pret ffs

stet, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link

People keep trying to pick holes in these figures like it's all being inflated for some shady purpose.

Press encouraging it all the way and I've already had relatives falling for it.

Hancock literally announcing an urgent enquiry because of a report from Oxford that hasn't yet been peer-reviewed and seems full of dogwhistle political bias.

nashwan, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link

I thought the ONS higher than usual recorded death figures for the Rona spike suggested our official figures are too low if anything? I mean fuck this bullshit anyway, it reeks!

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link

employers are not going to react how the government wants, I don't think. You don't volunteer to have your staff get sick in order to help save Pret ffs


Definitely not, more workplaces happy with current arrangements based on purely anecdotal evidence - even mine which has historically been strongly opposed to wfh.

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:24 (three years ago) link

I've had lot of first hand discussions about this stuff and overwhelmingly they're saying they're not going to make anyone go in if they're not comfortable, certainly not before 2021. That might be different in boiler room call centre environments but in general WFH seems to be working fine regardless of how challenged the businesses themselves are. It's certainly less disruptive than having a virus raging round the office.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:32 (three years ago) link

To give an anecdote from the other side, an acquaintance who works in hedge fund management (obv would never call someone who does so a friend) has had his boss freak out about people not wanting to go back in the office for months already - they never actually shut down and always had a few ppl in, including ppl who had the virus.

nb this is the same boss who made a Brexit Day cake w/ a giant UK flag surrounded by tiny little flags of the countries that all the employees come from and thought that was a nice gesture

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:54 (three years ago) link

The biggest problem for call centres - that i guess would also extend to some finance stuff - is that, aiui, you can't have people working from home handling customer payment information. Again, with India - where BPOs are a major part of the economy, the approach has been that you can't legally have more than one employee in every three in the office.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 17 July 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link

Actually, on that subject, i've heard anecdotally that there are a few US businesses looking to move call centres back onshore as there's less chance of government-mandated closures but idk how common that is or whether it also applies to the UK.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 17 July 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/ddL19HWkfh

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) July 17, 2020

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

Watching the making of the Olympic 2012 opening ceremony and I have weeped 6 times already. I love my country very much.

— Jess Phillips MP (@jessphillips) July 17, 2020


damn! in reply to this:

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link

i went to take the piss and the next tweet under Phillips agreeing with her was Lloyd R-M so fuck both of them

Ă€ la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link

"progressive patriotism" lol what a wanker!

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link

with friends like this i don't need any friends

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

xxp my employer is working with several call centres which are operating with staff all working from home. I think it takes a bit of set-up but basically people can tap in card/account numbers on their phone rather than reading them out, and the details are never accessed/handled by staff.

crisp, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link

It’s mad how a sporting event opening ceremony is something which purely exists for us to take the piss out of and have commentators make snide remarks about, until we host one and it’s a fucking sacred moment in history to weep about for millennia

crisp, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

What a truly embarrassing country

crisp, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link

God I loved the con dem coalition days. The Olympic ceremony, the 2011 riots, it was just an optimistic time for this great country. What went wrong?

Rishi don’t lose my voucher (wins), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link

progressive patriotism = making a cup of tea for people before you deport them iirc

Ă€ la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link

xp as ever, blame for this tragedy lies with Jreyme Conryb

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

it happened in that golden era when Tories were still nice and only killing hundreds of disabled ppl rather than thousands and Yvette Cooper was attacking Hostile Environment for being too damn soft, a time of gentler and more civil political discourse.

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link

why do these people hate populism so much when their entire political strategy is racism and flags

"It'll be fine by Christmas," seems such an odd promise in the context of reports that a second spike might lead to 120 000 deaths. Still, I was slightly anticipating a slightly more ridiculous press conference (along the lines of "you actually all can go back to work").

djh, Friday, 17 July 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdJ08DHWAAE8aBU?format=jpg&name=large

I'm starting to think that post might have been misunderstood sarcasm, because Phillips was apparently scheming for him to have his whip removed?

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link

No, that’s another Phillips - Euan, who made hundreds of antisemitism complaints and is discussed in the leaked report.

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link

ah, he probably is a tool then!

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link

Phillips is a cursed name

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link

The Ace With The Mace is clearly an emotional chap, I 100% believe he cries watching the 2012 opening ceremony.

I mean hopefully not the bits with Frank Turner and Ed Sheeran in them but still.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 July 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link

Every time I think about Frank fucking Turner getting a slot it just enrages me, like who was asking for that?

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link

Going to bite on this one. Patriotism and flag-waving is silly and banal but why not just stick a flag on it and shut down that flank? It seems to matter to some people and not doing opens up space for accusations of they dont love our country innit they love the palestine more than they love their own mothers they dont care

anvil, Friday, 17 July 2020 22:12 (three years ago) link

I love britain, frack any of it get banged

anvil, Friday, 17 July 2020 22:14 (three years ago) link

britain is a racist endeavour, loving it is never ok

That's it, I love Britain.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link

bloody love a bit of Blighty me

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link

I've got that Alan Vega track, "Viet Vet" going through my head now:

"He loves his country
It's the greatest, it's the greatest"

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link

you don't have to be a bit mad tory to live here but it sure helps!

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link

its UK garage not EU garage chat shit get banged

anvil, Friday, 17 July 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

Don't really give a shit about strategy, fuck a patriot, open the borders

Ă€ la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link

I mean I guess it's like religion, not my place to question other people's faith, but at least religion has some up sides.

Ă€ la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link

I don't have any real interest in either patriotism or religion but I don't know that 'oh we don't have any space for either of those, you want to try those other cunts down the road" is all that good an idea, that explicity saying we disapprove of these things even in the abstract, I don't get what the point is in terms of building broad coalitions without having to compromise at all on substance

I know there'll be valid reasons other than "oo, icky tho" but I'm not super clear on what they are

anvil, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link

any personal interest in either I should say, but I don't feel intrinsic opposition to them particularly either

anvil, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:06 (three years ago) link

I know all countries are made up but, the UK? WTF is it and what's it for?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link

xp the strategic error of taking this view is playing into the hands of the Tories, and anyone impressed by Tory flag waving and talk of “patriotism” is highly unlikely to be convinced by Labour doing it, nor are they likely to buy into a vision of patriotism that includes rather than excludes. It is also bound to turn off other parts of the voter coalition.

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link

the shor kid mentioned on the US thread is right. the tories win on 'patriotism' all day long unless there's a specific circumstance that flips it (and no, russian interference doesn't count here). the more you talk about it, the more you're on their turf. just get off it and onto subjects people prefer you on. otherwise you're dukakis in the tank.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2125/production/_102858480_mallett1.jpg

"progressive patriotism"

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link


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