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Really? I didn't think anyone used the terrible apps built into the TV.

Ever since the Twitch app on Roku stopped being supported, I've been pondering switching to different device.

milo my memory is that globally, streaming sticks etc are the minority - i should really dig out the relevant stats though

Ever since the Twitch app on Roku stopped being supported, I've been pondering switching to different device.

Mine got fried by a power surge but the best device I've used was a NVidia Shield TV. The Android TV OS works great and it had a built in HD for a Plex server.

Apple TVs IME are cursed, I have to unplug and replug in my current one every day to keep speeds up or simply because it won't come on. I was actually going to switch to a Roku but with the service issues I'll probably get one of the newest NVidias.

Yeah all this fighting over licensing is pretty crazy. I guess that’s how we get underpriced hardware, but like many things internet, this could be solved by just having people pay for the cost of things.

So nVidia, yeah? Going to take another look.

IIRC HBO Max works on Vizio, which is my TV, so might as well give that a try.

Really? I didn't think anyone used the terrible apps built into the TV.

I used to take this attitude but now the built-in Roku interface to my new budget TCL TV runs about 5x faster than my 2nd gen Firestick, I hardly ever use the latter.

And yeah, for my HBO Max trial I just plugged my laptop into the TV with HDMI. Wasn't the end of the world not having a remote.

i have a 2017ish vizio, there's not a native HBO max app that i can find but casting to the tv from the iphone app works well

Yeah I can plug my laptop in with an hdmi, but the only place I have to set my laptop when I do is on the floor. But in a house with a curious cat and a sometimes inattentive 8 year old this isn’t exactly the greatest idea.

Roku has worked great for us to use Amazon, Netflix, Hulu and HBO Now, I’ve always been happy with that interface.

And I don’t think the problem is strictly with Roku, since NBC couldn’t get a deal done for Peacock to work with Roku or Firestick either. I think there’s a lot of money to be made and people on all sides are starting to dig in their heels. I just don’t like the idea of paying for a premium streaming service when I have to rig up a less than optimal, borderline annoying setup just to access it.

Well said. Streaming services have put the cart before the horse. It's hard to enjoy a service and its benefits, if you're keeping track of how to access too much, device-wise, etc. Kinda think the end result will be a lot of people saying, 'F it, I've got personal/public/friend's libraries of plenty of qual-o-tee entertainment/whatever easily accessible device/service setup - I don't need this many headaches.'

I think I mentioned it upthread, but dreading when it’s like, “oh that show is on Prime, need to make sure I’m on my fire stick, but then my son wants to watch Netflix so I gotta switch to the Roku later and remember to switch to the Chromecast before tomorrow night”.

https://www.cnet.com/news/hbo-max-hbo-go-roku-and-fire-tv-you-in-the-crossfire-login-what-happened/

from that same link and in response to suggestion otherwise upthread:
https://www.parksassociates.com/blog/article/pr-07242019

Among streaming media players, Roku and Amazon’s Fire TV are the clear market leaders with almost 70% of the installed base of streaming media players in the United States. Consumer-reported data reveals that between Q1 2017 and Q1 2019, Roku’s share of the US SMP installed base grew from 37% to 39% while Amazon’s share of the installed base increased from 24% to 30%.

again ILPLEX above all

A traveler from the not-so-distant past would spend sixty seconds considering this mess before muttering,'the fuck is wrong with you people?'

And I don’t think the problem is strictly with Roku, since NBC couldn’t get a deal done for Peacock to work with Roku or Firestick either. I think there’s a lot of money to be made and people on all sides are starting to dig in their heels. I just don’t like the idea of paying for a premium streaming service when I have to rig up a less than optimal, borderline annoying setup just to access it.

That's what makes it sound like Roku (and Amazon) are the problem. They don't provide you much in the way of ongoing service - you pay your Internet bill, the streaming services pay their Internet bills/buy content/etc.. Roku is just a middleman that gets paid for the device to start with. If they want a cut just for existing, that's just going to get passed along to consumers at some point, along with the device they paid Roku for to start with.

ulysses i think that just talks about media streamers - i.e. doesn’t take into account consoles, set top boxes, smart tvs etc?

maddeningly difficult to find an answer here but as of 2017 these were the stats in europe - https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2017/11/28/how-consumers-in-europe-and-us-watch-ott-video-on-the-tv/

Like that thing I linked to a few days back, if a huge number of people entitled to HBO Max *for free* reportedly haven't taken advantage of it yet, then the onus is on HBO Max to find a solution, even if it costs them. We have a Roku TV, which works fine, but teaching my family to watch how to use the PS4 to watch HBO or Peacock was something of a chore that felt a bit like workaround jerry-rigging. Which it kind of is, since like hooking a laptop to your TV it's definitely not the way most would prefer to do it.

Plex remains the best because it's the only service that always has what I want, when I want it.

I use Prime, Netflix, Disney, All 4 and BBC iPlayer on my PS4 and it's simple and straightforward imo. So much easier than any smart TV setup I've used.
I assume it's not so simple for less popular apps?

We use the apps for Netflix and Prime on our 5 yr old Samsung TV and have never had any problems with them

We do Netflix, Prime, HBOMax, Hulu & YouTubeTV

no problems here except keeping track of shows

.. oops, we have all those on AppleTV

Oh, PS4 is super simple. But for the rest of the family it entails switching the connection on the Roku menu to the PlayStation, turning the PlayStation on, and then using the PlayStation controller as a remote, which they are not familiar with. And then remembering to turn it all off afterwards, so the PlayStation doesn't just stay on and more importantly the PlayStation controller doesn't stay connected and run out of charge.

A lot of tv remotes can be used as ps4 remotes fwiw

https://support.playstation.com/s/article/How-to-Control-Your-PlayStation-4-with-a-Remote?language=en_US

Tracer, is that the case there? I guess i didn't read it that way.

Prime is compatible with chromecast, as of very recently.

how do you mean ulysses?

this chart seems to be saying that 7-20% of people who watch video on demand do it with an “SMP” i.e. streaming media player, and the rest get it from their tv, set top box, console, or just plugging in a laptop

https://i2.wp.com/www.broadbandtvnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Devices-suded-for-viewing-OTT-video.jpg

that’s three years old, and isn’t from the US, but my understanding is that smart tv usage is only increasing as people ditch their older TVs. and many of them reason, why get a roku or whatever if my tv’s got netflix built in. in ant case when big media companies are prioritising platform development i think a lot of them are targeting big swathes of the smart tv market first, then consoles, then moving on to streaming sticks.

(obviously the exact order is going to be determined by what they reckon their audience is using)

hm. i may have been skipping a step. just spent a half hour looking for numbers as to modern means of delivery and you're right that seems to be purposely obfuscated. i'm sure some polling agencies consider that proprietary info and are holding onto it.
colloquially, it seems to me that most boomers don't upgrade their tv, they get a $50 roku instead. But maybe that's not the key hbo demo anyway?

Distant xpost, but because we have a Roku TV our TV remote is just one of those little Roku remote. No way that thing is controlling my PlayStation. It's barely useful for the Roku TV.

i haven't had a smarttv yet, but need to buy a new tv soon and it seems to me that about 90% of them are smart tvs now. My assumption is that they all use some kind of Android OS, but don't know.

they all have different ones. i can’t keep up. people used to like the LG one for awhile.

many of them reason, why get a roku or whatever if my tv’s got netflix built in

AIUI, the big issue with HBO Max and Peacock is that TVs where the "built in" aspect is Roku are more significant than people using a plug-in Roku device

worlds within worlds..

tvs piss me off, frankly. i mainly use my 11 year old one without any of that shit; it looks fine, but more importantly, the sound on it is great. all the other tvs I bought since have shitty sound because they assume you're paying extra for a soundbar or surround system which I do not.

The LG smart tv interface is pretty good, although ours is now several years old, it’s still updated. We tend to watch Netflix and the tv network streaming services on the TV (ABC, SBS etc.). I think the newer LGs have some version of AppleTV built in.

Interface is pretty straightforward you get a strip of buttons along the bottom of the screen for various apps and inputs (live TV, DVD player etc.) launch the app and away you go. Once you get into the individual apps YMMV wrt to interfaces, but that’s the fault of the app developers not the TV.

We’ve got an Apple TV as well, it’s definitely more versatile, in that we can install apps from other countries, and airplay streaming from the Mac/iPhone is useful. We could easily do without it though especially if the AppleTV functionality on newer TVs is half decent.

Feel like someone in Disney animation should read this discussion and get on a new 'How to Watch TV' Goofy cartoon asap.

I’d imagine the lg has the Apple TV app which is not the same thing as using and AppleTV. In any case I have multiple appleTVs and love them. Love that they’re synced and that I can move them too.

pro-tip, Fear of a Black Hat is on Amazon Prime!

Was pleasantly surprised to find "Vertigo" on Peacock. Was unpleasantly surprised at the seemingly random places they popped in their disruptive mandatory ads, "free," but at the cost of a degraded experience. Looks like Peacock does have two premium tiers, but if Peacock Premium Plus promises "without the ads," but with the caveat that "due to streaming rights, a small amount of programming will still contain ads (Peacock channels, events and a few shows and movies)," then I assume that means just plain Peacock Premium has ads, too.

In other news, not sure what to make of Disney+ charging a $30 premium on top of subscription for "continuous access" to the live action "Mulan" in September. That could be the way things go in the near future for high profile new titles, Disney or otherwise.

They announced the same thing for Black Widow, $30 too. Seems really steep for me, but it seems like that Trolls movie did really well at $20 a pop, so I can't say I'm shocked they are trying.

Oh nevermind, I'm seeing now that was a rumor that Disney is now walking back, at least as far as Black Widow is concerned.

hadn't heard that about Black Widow but I believe Mulan is still being released this way. To me this just means "movie available on torrent sites within three hours"

Yeah, I guess there was a call yesterday where they quashed the Black Widow rumors and said Mulan is a "one off" and Black Widow is still scheduled for a theatrical release only in November. I have a feeling that the numbers Mulan does in September may change things, especially given how unlikely it is that theaters are in any better position by then.

Speaking as a Disney+ subscriber, if Disney+ decides to tack on a premium for Disney+ content I'd like to see but which won't available as part of the general Disney+ subscription I already have, you'd better believe I will be acquiring that shit via other means. Fuck that nonsense.

Eh, I think brand new theatrical releases fall into a different category. I'd imagine that 3-4 months after Mulan's "release date" it will quietly show up for regular Disney+ subscribers that didn't pony up for it initially.

these "pay $30 to see a theatrical release rn" would actually be good deals if I lived with anybody I gave a fuck about that could watch it with me.

however, right now one of my local movie theaters is advertisin the ability to rent their theaters out for $120 for up to 20 people. and choose a classic movie to show like Raiders of the Lost Ark.

my god they must be desperate.

They are betting on quarantine boredom to get parents to pony up $30 for "early access", essentially. And I have a feeling it's going to work really well for them.

I mean it's cheaper than going to a theater if a family of four watches it.

Just not a good deal for me alone