Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

xxp - Because two things can be bad at once. That a second Trump term would be worse doesn't make the prospect of a first Biden term better - we're facing a crisis unprecedented in any of our lives and getting likely leadership unfit to face it.

Removing bookmark from thread now vp selection is done but let me know if this issue gets figured out.

I feel like this is a win win for progressives, if Biden and Harris win it gives the progressive a better seat at the table and set up the next generation to truly take over and if they lose it confirms the progressive view that they should be the representative of the Democratic party. No matter what I believe they’ll be taking over sooner rather than later. If your main disappointment is that it isn’t fast enough, I get it, but democracy is slow moving for good reasons.

I’m probably wrong as usual but don’t you think Biden would pick someone more fascinating DUCKWORTH

. That a second Trump term would be worse doesn't make the prospect of a first Biden term better

This is such a stupendously dumb thing to post that I'm...speechless.

I mean, you're a smart guy.

oh idk it moves pretty fast if you’re intention is to privatize every function of the state so your donors can wring it dry, leave a husk, and point and say “lol look govt can’t stop failing lol”

The ability to gauge the relative value of things is not as easy as some might think.

Raising your grade from a 0 to a 60 isn't going to help you graduate.

"democracy is slow moving for good reasons."

Explain.

Like that legit just sounds like a talking point that a Times columnist would use to justify the racist oligarchy that we live in.

you really would think a Democratic nominee who's not your pick would be less dangerous than Donald Trump -- and a guy posting here who's not a person of color and queer is posting this.

I've a long track record of noting and protesting Obama's national security abuses, including the drone bombing of Americans, but I'm speechless you wouldn't admit this is the tragedy of political systems. Some administrations get it better than others, even marginally. And it's on the margins where we have to troll, and it's where activists have to keep posting craven politicians. The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

posting = pushing

directed at milo

"democracy is slow moving for good reasons."

Explain.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:05 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Decision making is obviously much slower when you ask millions of people instead of having one person decide for all, I don't think this is a controversial statement.

I haven't suggested he's not "less dangerous" than Trump, ever. (He also has done pretty much nil in his career for people of color or LGBTQ people, unless voting for DOMA or mass incarceration was a secret win?)

I think(?) Kamala will be pretty good at fucking up the Trump campaign machine, and as noted, they could have done a lot worse. It could’ve been Klobs ffs.

I’ll admit that against my better judgment, I briefly panicked last night that it could be a SURPRISE PETE pick. And I have no doubt that he’ll weasel his way into the admin somehow.

Tbh I kind of think democracy doesn't actually exist as people believe it does, but oh well. I'm "noted" as being among the far left on this board, as elsewhere, so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

But Dan S, stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw.

stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw

There's an interview going around with Chomsky today where he says the same thing, so this is about to become the new orthodoxy. Get ready for it.

He's been called a New Deal Democrat by Chomsky and others on the left for a very long time.

The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

Well, I mean... credit for what?

2020 is even shittier 2008 - so we're getting the crisis Obama inherited but many times larger.
The result of Obama and Democratic majorities was a massive subsidy for healthcare ghouls and little improvement in actual healthcare. We got no recovery for the average American, no curbing of exploding cost of living, no decrease in inequality, no reining in of state abuses (at any level). All followed by a sweeping right turn across the land.

Biden is less competent than Obama and Schumer is far less competent than Reid. What's not to despair?

Now imagine 2008-2016 if it were McCain.

honestly, if you’re in any way invested in keeping liberal capitalism alive and have any interest in the majority of your fellow citizens maintaining a shred of dignity, New Dealism should be your baseline.

I know the GOP could give less than a fuck about the latter. Not sure what the Democratic party’s excuse is.

xp

Raising your grade from a 0 to a 60 isn't going to help you graduate.

McCain would have been more like a 25 though, probably.

and 50 is still than a 25. it matters to so many people. that analogy is not very solid.

Tbh I kind of think democracy doesn't actually exist as people believe it does, but oh well.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:12 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Do you have an experience living in an undemocratic nation? Undemocratic by mainstream standards I mean.

also the judiciary branch doesn’t exist

too many xposts, but re: Biden

(He also has done pretty much nil in his career for people of color or LGBTQ people, unless voting for DOMA or mass incarceration was a secret win?)

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:10 PM

he made a statement on television in May of 2012 saying he was in favor gay marriage and that he thought Obama was for it too, I remember that because I was in my dying father's hospital room watching it on TV and I was astonished. I assume he coordinated it with Obama, because Obama made his statement shortly after that. That was an incredible turning point in LBGTQ rights history, it followed from Gavin Newsom's stand in 2004 and it led directly to the Supreme Court decision in 2015

xp - despite tombot's fantasy world, the McCain counterfactual and potential Trump counterfactual is only relevant if anyone here was suggesting it would be better for Trump to win or discouraging anyone from voting for Biden

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Do you have an experience living in an undemocratic nation? Undemocratic by mainstream standards I mean.

Questions that answer themselves...

lol, re: that question, i've lived in Poland before it joined the EU and have spent a significant amount of time across the former Soviet bloc, so i have some ideas about what a non-democracy that calls itself a democracy looks like.

Now if I could just arrange for a poster to stab Biden in the next few weeks my 250-1 bet on Kamala to win comes home

Stab being slang for non-violent persuasion as I understand it

Just give him the keys to a 200mph Corvette.

the amount of deranged ultraprogressive bullshit I read on twitter today makes me despair but I have to remind myself that this is a very small, loudmouthed contingent (I hope). I mean, they're pissed at Bernie now for not coming out against this, like he would do that, and like that would be helpful.

― akm

don't worry akm it's not like my fucking vote counts anyway

Remember when people took Ayaan Hirsi Ali seriously?

This was inevitable.

Tucker Carlson's guest claims that Joe Biden is "enforcing Sharia Law." pic.twitter.com/HnOtjQtYWz

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) August 12, 2020

What were 'Joe Biden's comments on Islam'?

https://i.imgur.com/sS6tGef.png

lol, re: that question, i've lived in Poland before it joined the EU and have spent a significant amount of time across the former Soviet bloc, so i have some ideas about what a non-democracy that calls itself a democracy looks like.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:49 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

So you believe that say Australia and the Polish People's Republic are roughly the same in terms of democratic practice?

Biden knees can't handle an unpadded prayer rug.

Given so-called Australia's treatment of its Aboriginal population, any claims that the country has on being a democracy are null and void.

A metaphor for this thread

Listening to Trump on Hannity. What started as a talk about Harris has turned into a discussion of "Hillary smashing the phones with hammers" and the Russia dossier. Sounds, honestly, like he and Hannity got bored talking Harris.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) August 12, 2020

And in terms of Poland, it's a racist, homophobic theocracy disguised as a democracy. Anyone paying attention can see that,.but it was as obvious 15 years ago when I was spending time there.

Fox News hosts Pirro and Hannity are claiming that Biden did not pick Harris as his VP. They think there is some secret person that has yet to be revealed that actually made the selection.

— Angelo Carusone (@GoAngelo) August 12, 2020

van horn street is a neolib true believer fyi so there's really no point

Ah yes, despising Maduro makes me a neolib.

A neolib who supports single payer health care, minimum wage sets at 50% of median income, the government funding of the arts, the nationalisation of power plants and some key national ressources, increased taxes on the rich, and who views the Nordic model has far preferable to any other that has been tried is one strange neolib.

Sorry I forgot the increase in social housing and free education until college; I’m undecided for college itself but I believe it ought to remain vastly affordable.

Six geese a-laying
Five golden rings
Four calling birds
Three french hens
Two turtle doves, and
A partridge in a pear tree