Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

she's a tenacious debater, etc.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/VjYq4vPTkWSLyrRHouqKjX.jpg

Say what?

They wouldn't be! It would be the perfect opportunity to lend credence to the notion that he's changed.

I think people evolve

I'm guessing you just flat-out reject that idea.

Anyway, I've made my point, we'll see what happens.

People evolve. People who feel compelled to tell you they've evolved have not.

The issue and the national discussion would not be her attack (unless you think she shouldn't have made it and needs to apologize), the issue and discussion would be what the attack was about, ie Biden's history.

Have you ever watched US cable news? Have you ever read a US newspaper or political news website?

Yeah, I have - and you get pieces like this
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626

I'm sure that getting renewed coverage in the media would do wonders for African-American turnout in Pittsburgh.

If the argument is that Joe Biden should disclaim and apologize for his entire political career prior to 2008, go for it I guess? I mean, he should.

And then everything that continues to comes out of his mouth publicly, from "I think we need to RE-fund the police!" and "A M4A bill is never going to come across my desk, and I'm not even going pay lip service to the idea of ever signing one if it somehow did!" will quickly erase any notions of any true ideological shifts in his actual thinking or policy goals.

There's a reason his numbers have never been better when he was figuratively locked in a closet away from public view not saying anything while the country burned down around Trump. The less he talks, and the less anyone talks about his history, congressional or otherwise, the better his chances in November. Hopefully his campaign will lock him back into that figurative closet soon so we don't have to see anymore groan-worthy soundbites like that aforementioned yahoo news clip about the hypothetical M4A bill.

I'm guessing you just flat-out reject that idea.

why on earth would Biden evolve? he's had a charmed professional career despite being a creep and a terrible parent

God, you people are tiresome.

What's tiresome is this idea that this new, most recent milquetoast centrist donor class backed candidate put forth by the democratic party is ever going to radically "evolve", "shift leftward", or truly, fundamentally change from the behavior, beliefs, and policies that got them into that position in the first place. As evidenced by basically every presidential election since time immemorial.

I will say that I do think a Biden admin is certainly capable of shifting/pivoting/whatever, but not sure down any "evolution" on their/his part. It would take mass fucking outrage, not just bad polling. (In an ideal world that would kick off more or less immediately following election day regardless of outcome, but, y'know)

I know, I know, outrage is tiresome and we're all so very tired.

I have a question. Is your username supposed to be funny? How so?

big words from sound of scampo talk to me

mine is an inside joke about some pub snack I’ve never eaten and lcd soundsystem. And you?

I have a question. Is your username supposed to be funny? How so?

― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto)

it's ok tombot i think he's just making fun of me, and i don't really count anyway

first of all harold land is the fucking GOAT according to Austin, and that's good enough for me. secondly, i think it's the "terrible parent" kind of thing that is tiresome. is he? seems like his family loves him, but what do i know. but am i really sitting here thinking of his bad parenting skills, if he has them, as yet another example of his endless failures, like that's anywhere near as relevant as his role in the 1994 crime bill, anita hill, etc? it's that kind of stuff that gets tiresome (to me).

I'm not making fun of anyone, I encountered "DARVO" and it reminded me of the DARPA initiative. that's the "joke"

I've never seen him called a terrible parent before this thread.

(His connections have done pretty well for Hunter, wish my dad had been such a bad parent!)

Probably someone has said shit about him because of hunter's drug use? Seems a stretch

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign

i'm tired of everything. tired and sad and just don't care. joe biden causes cancer, you know, for all i care, joe biden causes fucking cancer.

I didn't like Biden before, but that New Yorker article sealed the deal for me. Racist? Toucher? Relies on personal family tragedy to increase fortunes of professional political career? Uses political connections to aid and abet son's drug problems until they cause problems for political career?

If the guy is a good guy, I really do wonder who some of you consider a bad guy. It's like if the person isn't Hitler you'd have 'em over for a beer.

I really don’t care about any of his personal flaws. He sucks for his what he believes in and for his priorities.

I’ve had so many unhitlers over for beers, oh my god what a terrible person I am

Gotta network in case a job opens up with a Latin American coup planning office.

"Racist? Toucher? Relies on personal family tragedy to increase fortunes of professional political career? Uses political connections to aid and abet son's drug problems until they cause problems for political career?"

come on

This entire thread since 2018 or so is pretty easily reduced to two arguments which wouldn’t have much to do with each other in a slightly better timeline:

1. Joe Biden is an acceptable alternative to Trump, let’s get this done so we can make sure RBG isn’t replaced by someone else off the federalist society’s a-list

2. Joe Biden is a horrible human being arrgh omg america deserves this shit fuck everything arrgh we’re doomed

2 is more exciting hence the overwhelming majority of posts devoted to it, despite the mind-numbing repetition

please enjoy your bowl full of blood, hair, and shit, milo

Joe Biden is a horrible human being arrgh omg america deserves this shit fuck everything arrgh we’re doomed

^^Best Lina Wertmüller joint.

or Don 'n' Glenn sex party in Laurel Canyon

2 is more exciting hence the overwhelming majority of posts devoted to it, despite the mind-numbing repetition

― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto)

yes i'm "excited".

this is exactly what is going on, i am very very "excited"

1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive.

please enjoy your bowl full of blood, hair, and shit, milo

Didn't Morbs already use this one on you?

In this moment, having no alternative, the racist toucher is an acceptable alternative to Trump. He is also not fit for the task at hand if you care at all about the health and dignity of anyone making less than $50k a year.

God, you people are tiresome.

― jaymc, Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:31 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago)

^^ truer every hour

"let’s get this done so we can make sure RBG isn’t replaced by someone else off the federalist society’s a-list". that seems important to me

Sometimes I remember this thread title and get confused about why “repeated” criticism of Joe Biden, Senator From Citibank, is so objectionable.

There were several variations of a blase statement from the primary threads from people that they'll be fine if Biden is President even though he wasn't their first choice.

It's probably unpleasant to be reminded that many people won't be fine.

Chidin' with biden

xpost: that would be the case no matter who the democratic candidate was

More people would be fine with pretty much any of them who weren't Biden - Buttigieg is a weasel but all his synapses are firing at full capacity.

Eh, all but one or two of them sucked.

Anyway agreed that this all v tiresome but maybe less so if the see-no-evils kept to the general politics thread?

Like...we’re talking about things that this guy Joe Biden says and does, in a thread about Joe Biden, with his name at the top.

It's probably unpleasant to be reminded that many people won't be fine.

Nah man, as a person with a pre-existing condition that requires exorbitantly expensive medication to treat, I'm actually apparently "excited" for the potential election and subsequent fallout from the "progressive" candidate who doesn't even have the decency to lie about supporting, let alone legitimately campaigning for and making efforts to pass, a hypothetical M4A bill that he adamantly states isn't ever going to come into his consideration in the first place. My criticisms of those kinds of positions from him are just a "tiresome" game that I'm playing for kicks on a white rock critic message board, as opposed to voicing concern about things that actually is going to affect my livelihood in an explicit manner. Glad people on here enlightened me to that fact I never knew until now!

2. Joe Biden is a horrible human being arrgh omg america deserves this shit fuck everything arrgh we’re doomed

I don't think anyone's posting "america deserves this shit"? If they are, you could counter this by explaining that America is many people who have not been responsible for the decisions that led to this shit.

A few people very occasionally say "I fear that I am doomed," explaining why their personal circumstances inspire this fear in them. If you believe they have no reason to fear, you could explain to them individually why they are incorrect, mistaken, or catastrophising to have these fears, rather than simply shouting at them that they are annoying.


the mind-numbing repetition

It's not like anyone is actually repeating themselves, either - nobody's harping over and over on the same individual topics. Those of us who vent lightly about stupid things Biden does or shitty opinions that he has or profoundly alarming things that he says, are coming here occasionally to mention new things that he does or says or confirms that he thinks. Even the strong likelihood that he has committed sexual assault as a sitting politician is not being harped upon, or even mentioned in passing.

A number of people do keep saying the same thing over and over, though.

"new things that he does or says or confirms that he thinks"?

I don't think anyone's posting "america deserves this shit"? If they are, you could counter this by explaining that America is many people who have not been responsible for the decisions that led to this shit.

― Steppin' RZA (sic)

america is foundationally a white supremacist ethnostate. i am not america, and neither can you!

i'm not going to say that i fear that i am doomed but i am not in a good place right now. if that makes anybody posting to this thread uncomfortable, good.

Let's elect Biden and take it from there.