love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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I suspect the problem is house parties and other in-home gatherings first and foremost. People started ignoring the rules ages ago.

The other issues around workplaces and overcrowded housing haven't changed either but it's also clear that some places were taken out of lockdown way too early in their particular curve.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 22:34 (three years ago) link

yeah the point is this is just an amplification of "the rules don't apply if you're spending money but god forbid anybody socialising for free"

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

why are pubs open?!?!?!?
as far as I can tell the rationale behind this is "so Tim Martin can own the libs and be in best position to claim the top spot on the charred remains of the hospitality industry after covid and brexit"

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 22:40 (three years ago) link

Again only human activity that involves work or spending money is allowed. Whenever I walk through Islington it's full of absolutely packed restaurants, mostly with tables with 2-4 people. That won't change. You could go to the pub by yourself as my dad always did and chat to all the other guys at the bar, and the pub can remain packed. These are only new lockdown measures in the sense that they are an announcement the gov are making to give the impression they are doing something. They will continue to insist that people who have been working just as hard or even harder from home since april go "back to work" while announcing this unfortunate curtailment of freedom-loving brits right to do anything that doesn't directly feed the economy.

Those that take measures to limit their risk of exposure will continue to do inasmuch as they are not prevented from doing so by other people (their employer say, or the person who shows up at their workplace without a mask and keeps breathing down their neck, etc). What is notable, is that these measures do nothing to protect or empower those who wish to limit their own exposure. These random announcements of "no Ludo on a tuesday" are more an illusion of lockdown, recognising that people enjoyed a certain sense of protection that came from being limited and obstructed. and this was popular! it felt decisive, there was a mood of people meeting the occasion. They do not however empower people to protect their own health, there is nothing that makes employers more accountable, there is nothing to enforce literally any kind of measures in retail spaces or commercial hospitality spaces (as far as I can tell, these fell apart immediately). The people I know who are most fatalistic about the whole thing are colleagues who work in an SEN school, where senior management can now no longer be visited in their offices but children with high temperatures still stay on for the whole school day, hygiene facilities remain below the minimum requirements for basic dignity and playgrounds are overcrowded.

plax (ico), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 06:54 (three years ago) link

Hancock on #BBCBreakfast

If you’re a family of 5 you can only see one grand parent from Monday in England

Up to 25% of people getting tests are ‘not eligible’ & causing issues for others

Announcement on Doncaster Races (and other events) from the Prime Minister at 4pm

— Dan Walker (@mrdanwalker) September 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link

What does the 25% thing mean?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:34 (three years ago) link

Also Hancock:

Fucking hell. ‘Car crash’ really doesn’t do this justice. This is a multiple vehicle pileup resulting in the closure of a four-junction stretch of the M25 in both directions. But with added weird, creepy laughter.

My toes may never uncurl.pic.twitter.com/PwQcxlzp6h

— 🏳️‍🌈 Max 🏳️‍🌈 (@SpillerOfTea) September 9, 2020

chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:34 (three years ago) link

the 25% thing is about people getting tests when they don't have symptoms — eg before they go on holiday, or go to a wedding or something. Which seemed like prudent behaviour to me given how they've been banging on about how many tests we've got, such beautiful tests, world-beating tests.

Turns out they barely have enough capacity to test the symptomatic and now they've maxed out

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link

Lol ok thanks

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:49 (three years ago) link

They wasted lockdown, and they wasted the post-lockdown pissing about with civil service shakeups (including fucking about with PHE ffs) and now seems like that time's has just about run out. Good idea to start a massive Brexit fight as well, then.

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link

Is it truly always a good idea to listen to someone's sister?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:01 (three years ago) link

i'mma go with "no"

https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/images/9780252074677_lg.jpg

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:03 (three years ago) link

Oh yes it's here:

It’s all YOUR fault https://t.co/Gqa1A5nRIj

— Pippa Crerar (@PippaCrerar) September 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:21 (three years ago) link

👀👀👀

St Leger Festival gets underway today @DoncasterRaces The government has given the go ahead for thousands of people to attend the four day event. It's one of the first sport pilot events to introduce spectators back to fixtures pic.twitter.com/0KqlPSYn6H

— ITV News Calendar (@itvcalendar) September 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:24 (three years ago) link

Now I'm not an epidemiologist but

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:27 (three years ago) link

i’m no mathematician, but

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:28 (three years ago) link

i'm no horse, but

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:53 (three years ago) link

looking forward to hearing the ronas and riders

this is my clean tone (NickB), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:02 (three years ago) link

The cowardice of not just doing this at Cheltenham.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:08 (three years ago) link

At this stage you have to just assume that the government is entirely in the pocket of the gambling industry.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:13 (three years ago) link

Johnson says he regrets that Starmer did not take back his claim about the system being on the verge of collapse. He repeats the point about it doing a “heroic” job. The medium journey is under 10 miles, he says.

Having to travel 10+ miles for your test - pure heroism.

nashwan, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link

Tories: BREAKING THE LAW!

Guardian libs: be polite before killing me.

Losing it at these Guardian comments describing what "Starmerism" means to them. "Politeness", the end of "mad-ism", "a reminder that the age of enlightenment did actually happen"? We are so screwed. pic.twitter.com/z9NTHqVJGo

— Stephen Buranyi (@stephenburanyi) September 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:22 (three years ago) link

looking forward to hearing the ronas and riders

― this is my clean tone (NickB),

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Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:22 (three years ago) link

big lack of the famed forensics on brexit here

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link

Note the Trumpism

44m ago
12:32
Kim Johnson (Lab) asks about housing in Liverpool. She says the government’s plans for planning reform will allow slums to return. Will he abandon them?

Boris Johnson says his government will deliver beautiful new homes.

nashwan, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:18 (three years ago) link

the "mad-ism" letter is signed "rawlsian"

mark s, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:27 (three years ago) link

Great stuff.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:41 (three years ago) link

so you can see one grandparent at a time in england now?

if you've got the rona and give it to granddad when you see him, what's preventing him from going home and giving it to granny?

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:01 (three years ago) link

the pub. it's on the way.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:03 (three years ago) link

St Leger meeting decision reversed. This government listens

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:04 (three years ago) link

Just lucky that all of today's attendees are immune

chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:12 (three years ago) link

Is it just my imagination or has Michael Gove completely disappeared over the past few months? Hancock, Sunak, Raab, Patel, Williamson and Sharma have all been fairly prominent over the summer and even Johnson has pulled his finger out a little bit. Suggests that Gove knows this is a disaster that is going to end multiple political careers and wants to keep as low a profile as possible.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:17 (three years ago) link

Mark Francois also disappeared for some reason

chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link

Give reportedly came up with this “break the law” wheeze and pushed for it

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link

the master strategist at work

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link

televised update at 4 on bbc1.

i was looking forward to The Repair Shop, but i guess that won't happen now

koogs, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link

If we have built capacity for 200k tests and Hancock is complaining that people without symptoms are getting tests... does that mean he thinks he's built capacity for 200k active daily symptomatic tests?

Also if only 25% are ineligible why aren't we reporting 150k new daily cases? What the fuck do these 148k symptomatic people per day have that isn't covid?

オニモ (onimo), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link

he doesn't know what he's doing.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/lVoLCWe.png

not great really is it

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link

are we going climbing again?

calzino, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

Not great but also a bit misleading because there were so few tests done in March/April — you only got tested if you were already in hospital, so that actual number of cases then would have been massively higher xp

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

Lovely that the messaging to young people is literally now ‘you will kill your grandparents if you don’t follow this arbitrary rule’

crisp, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

But like do go to work yeah and maybe nandos on your way home

crisp, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

BoJo now using over testing of non symptomatic as a positive.

I can't work out how 500k negative tests a day enables normal life. It would take 2 months to test the country in which time all the normal life people have covid.

Yet another variety of herd immunity but not really

オニモ (onimo), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link

This Salford moonshot doesn't make sense to me either. At all.

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link

You can't live your life as normal if you get a negative test, because you could still catch it the minute you walk out the testing centre.

An antibody test is perhaps one thing that could let you do that, but it looks like antibodies aren't staying around for long enough for that

stet, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link

(as I understand it, and that's not much)

antibodies not lasting isn't really seen as a problem as your body is programmed by your first infection to reproduce them

2 or 3 reinfection stories recently maybe suggests otherwise

オニモ (onimo), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link

That's true stet but deaths look to be creeping up slightly as well - most since July.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link

.@Peston asks if Christmas is cancelled?

Boris Johnson says he is 'hopeful' that 'in many ways' we could be able to get some aspects of our lives back to normal by Christmas

He refers to 'moonshot' of daily testing, but says govt 'cannot be 100% sure' if can deliver that

— Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) September 9, 2020



Literally give me 1/10 of what Bobby P is paid for this shite and I’ll do a (metaphorical) reign of terror that makes Jeremy Paxman look like Holly Willoughby.

scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link


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