The only other conceivable reason for playing down the differences between Miliband and the Labour left would be if one genuinely believed that they didn’t exist, and I really don’t want to believe that – even in these disorientating times – comrades are that stupid. Going back to the pre-Corbyn era of a parliamentary left small, fragmented and reduced to begging for minor concessions from non-socialists would represent the dying whimper of the Corbynite movement and everything it fought for.
― stet, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 10:57 (three years ago) link
When these FBPEers angrily denounce Cameron as the sole cause of Brexit I don't buy it. The forces of Brexit were there and both parties were playing with fire and fuelling populist bigotry. Some other worthless fucker would have let the djinn out of the bottle sooner or later.
― calzino, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 10:58 (three years ago) link
tbh I say much the same about Thatcherism but the referendum and its wording were a product of a very specific set of issues within the Tory Party
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:02 (three years ago) link
The entire country: "we can't get a test"Priti Patel: "yes you can shut up"
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:05 (three years ago) link
I agree with the view that Miliband as PM would have meant none of the FBPE garbage, and I think that's a great point in favour of that alternate timeline.
I think that for some of us, before JC the sense of real political space was more limited - I literally could no longer even imagine a leader to the left of Ed M. He seemed as good as we could possibly get, and he was generally assailed for being a dangerous socialist. From this POV it was quite logical to support him.
I suppose different judgments can be made about now.
I agree that Thatcherism wasn't the product of one person but a much bigger process.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:13 (three years ago) link
The EU ref was a part of the endless Tory factional game and or the bastards as Major called them, but my point is in opposition they would have been putting immense pressure on Labour for it to happen.
― calzino, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link
There still could still could have been a get the EU ref done election with Labour on the losing side. But as someone who is now gone once said to me : if Ifs and (sic) Ans were pots and pans!
― calzino, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:37 (three years ago) link
One of the things that makes the alternate history trickier is the question of who'd have succeeded Cameron? Without the successful Leave campaign, Boris would still be a clown - Gove might be the natural successor from the Cameron camp (Gideon might not follow Cameron but he'd also have got a kicking for austerity) but there'd be a contingent that would consider the whole cuddlier Tories a failed endeavour, and they might get a monster through - it might still be May! Jesus, imagine 5 years of the Tories kicking the shit out of each other?
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:42 (three years ago) link
Miliband Labour would have been put under intense scrutiny by our lol Free Press and the BBC. That dogwhistle attack by the Sun would have just been a warm up.
― calzino, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:46 (three years ago) link
Charlie Elphicke's going to jail, doo-dah, doo dah!
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:47 (three years ago) link
"an" = achaic word for "if"
An it harm none, do what ye will
so this person who is now gone (bcz also archaic?) was right not wrong
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:48 (three years ago) link
thanks for that Mark - I was doing them a disservice!
― calzino, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:50 (three years ago) link
Osborne was always meant to be Cameron’s successor, Gove wasn’t a Cameronite, he was the price of satiating Murdoch.
― scampo italiano (gyac), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 11:53 (three years ago) link
Meant to be in their heads, sure, but after a Blair-Brown transfer not an election loss, I'd have thought.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:08 (three years ago) link
Charlie Elphicke applied for legal aid and it was refused. He owes his estranged wife Natalie £100,000 which she loaned him for legal fees, he owes more than that to his lawyers. His family home in Kent is being sold, with £400,000 equity to be split by divorcing couple— Tristan Kirk (@kirkkorner) September 15, 2020
― scampo italiano (gyac), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:10 (three years ago) link
I'm sure he'll still be fine when he gets out of jail next year, probably have a cushy job waiting for him as soon as he's out of the gates
― 这是我的显示名称 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:12 (three years ago) link
Ebbsfleet coronavirus testing centre in Kent closed to make way for lorry park for post-Brexit customs checkshttps://t.co/YqKcR0inGQ— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) September 15, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link
That is beautiful.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:18 (three years ago) link
The Tories know their people.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:20 (three years ago) link
this fucking country
― you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:26 (three years ago) link
Anticipating the story about clearing that lorry park to make way for the coffins
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link
lol like they'd let mass death get in the way of commerce
― you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link
Very clear the stats for cases are going to get suppressed which will enable the govt to avoid a 2/3 week lockdown for as long as possible.
To follow up, here's the letter we've sent to @BorisJohnson. We don't need a 'moonshot', just ability for residents to access a test locally, while national system was a mess & not everyone knew they could walk in, stopping it without warning is a scandal. https://t.co/V2MZfFo6Gk pic.twitter.com/bHlmND3HZg— Mayor of Hackney (@mayorofhackney) September 14, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 13:55 (three years ago) link
Charlie Elphicke applied for legal aid and it was refused. He owes his estranged wife Natalie £100,000 which she loaned him for legal fees, he owes more than that to his lawyers. His family home in Kent is being sold, with £400,000 equity to be split by divorcing couple
His family home in Kent is being sold, with £400,000 equity to be split by divorcing couple
Poetic justice after he consistently voted to restrict and reduce legal aid. It would be funny if it wasn't destroying innocent lives.
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
gang of at least a dozen hanging in the little park by me just now, got a good mind to report them to Ed Mili
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
mrs g’s cousin has just reported on fb that her son’s primary school is closed until the 24th because every teacher has the rona great work everyone
― you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link
Saw a weird clip of Patel seeming to claim the rule of six would do nothing to prevent infections but that she'd narc people out anyway.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
I mean that's vmic
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
"The daily number of coronavirus cases has risen above 3,000 again. Today’s count is 3,105, up from 2,621 yesterday. Today’s total is lower than was recorded at the end of last week, but it is still only the fourth time the daily total has been above 3,000 since the end of May. The recent trend - a sharp increase - is being maintained."
And given many can't get a test..
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
Was completely impossible for me to get a test when I checked last night, and I'm in suburban London
― imago, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
“My worry is that we’ve demonstrated that a better world is possible” says senior Tory pic.twitter.com/MKzbW3gi1Y— Ollie (@O_lloyd) September 15, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 20:26 (three years ago) link
― you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
lol who could have seen this coming
Care home firm that sacked MP for raising PPE fears admits it did have shortagehttps://t.co/pvYOsQMOi0 pic.twitter.com/VzNfL5BUl6— Mirror Politics (@MirrorPolitics) September 15, 2020
― scampo italiano (gyac), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
Grenfell files ‘lost forever’ after laptop wiped, inquiry hearshttps://t.co/RBKJnizXtg— ITV London (@itvlondon) September 14, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:19 (three years ago) link
That sounds like it's nothing to do with the wiping of the laptop and everything to do with crucial files no longer being on the server where they were supposed to be.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:25 (three years ago) link
Nice double punch of nothing matters there.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:30 (three years ago) link
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are we waiting until bj gets covid a second time
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:32 (three years ago) link
i mean god willing but
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link
a new thread? but literally nothing matters
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:37 (three years ago) link
Reference the six or nothing truly matters
― scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link
Forensix Oppostion
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link
^
― scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link
Quite sobering to realise I was literally travelling home from work that day from our office and haven’t been back since.
― scampo italiano (gyac), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link
ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link