ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

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Neil S, Friday, 2 October 2020 12:33 (three years ago) link

the infection will not be herd immunitized

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 October 2020 12:35 (three years ago) link

Is tweeting stupid questions about five times a day really “always working” though

seumas milm (gyac), Friday, 2 October 2020 12:41 (three years ago) link

it is if you're a lazy dullard

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 October 2020 12:41 (three years ago) link

i speak from a place of deep personal experience

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 October 2020 12:41 (three years ago) link

I have time to write a shit novel I simply choose not to, my protagonist would be called Rod Ounce

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link

Isn't he basically always on TV? IDK, he seems very difficult to avoid right now.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 12:58 (three years ago) link

nah gyac rumbled me ages ago, I've been on ITV while Pesto was writing this book

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Friday, 2 October 2020 13:04 (three years ago) link

BREAKING: Downing Street has refused to call for Covid-positive MP Margaret Ferrier to resign.https://t.co/bF3ux0wKSM

— HeraldScotland (@heraldscotland) October 2, 2020

stet, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:13 (three years ago) link

'Colonel Poo' is surely a primer suspect in The Whistle Blower?

(xpost - hmmm, I wonder why?)

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link

Have to say in the Corbyn situation the fact it was a wake arguably makes it worse from a public messaging point of view, thousands of people this year have been unable to attend the funerals or wakes of their loved ones and that will continue to be the case because of the rule of six, it just reinforces that 'one rule for them' dismissiveness and, at worst, fuels the ongoing rage.

The story isn't gaining traction because the Ferrier situation is transparently so much worse, the government doesn't want to draw attention to these breaches for obvious reasons, and because most of the country stopped caring what Corbyn does and doesn't do months ago.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link

I'd care to argue one way or another on this when I heard (which was a few hours before it was posted here) but I just don't give a shit. Corbyn isn't the leader.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

I mean it's also a good example of why immediately putting your hands up and going "I fucked up, I'll pay the fine" is better than trying to hide it or explain it away.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:24 (three years ago) link

Coopers still won't have him pay the fine tho, lol.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:27 (three years ago) link

*coppers, so'z

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:27 (three years ago) link

"I fucked up, I'll pay the fine"

Sorry but that's still pure "one rule for them" privilege.

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Friday, 2 October 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link

it does give off strong "i'll park where i like" vibes

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link

It is but it kills the story.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link

Also he was a guest and not the organiser, it’s the responsibility of the organiser to limit numbers.

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 2 October 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link

My @guardian story: Hundreds of thousands who lost jobs in pandemic denied universal credit, official figures show https://t.co/vPIRWJIhk8

— Patrick Butler (@patrickjbutler) October 1, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link

Piece on the FT blog on the EU lab markets looks v bad, even if the support schemes across the EU are better than UC.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:53 (three years ago) link

About 26% of new universal credit claimants are from managerial, administrative and professional backgrounds, according to findings by the ESRC-funded Welfare at a Social Distance academic research project, a trend that may bring fresh scrutiny of a welfare system designed primarily for people on low incomes.

damn, they are treating them as badly as they do to working poor people, this calls for reforms.

calzino, Friday, 2 October 2020 13:53 (three years ago) link

The number of people who seem surprised the system is in such bad shame is one of the main reasons why the Tories have been able to get away with it for so long. There isn't really any reason to be surprised at this stage but it does show quite how little attention a lot of people pay to what's going on.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

"I had assumed that we still live in a society where there was a safety net for people who from no fault of their own need support at time of crisis."

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 October 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link

Idk I distinctly remember spending some time in a north London jobcentre about 7/8 years back and watching a a posh man raging at staff because he was an architect and got the same rate as everyone else... if they didn’t know by then I don’t know if you’d ever get through to them.

seumas milm (gyac), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link

Nobody votes Tory because they're blissfully unaware of poverty

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link

Grenfell Tower providing a big charred reminder of that.

seumas milm (gyac), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link

if i was an architect, i would simply be good enough at my job that i would never be a position where i needed to claim universal credit

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link

#dishyRishi please come to our rescue!

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 October 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link

Literally the worst kind of pricks, he’s not even attractive and he’s way to the right of Johnson.

seumas milm (gyac), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link

Politics Hot is a v different ballgame to normal standards of hotness tbf

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link

He’s not even the best-looking male Asian Tory with hideous politics! That’s Ranil Jayawardena!

seumas milm (gyac), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link

Don't start me on Priti again please

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link

> Grenfell Tower providing a big charred reminder of that.

they very quickly wrapped it in a green <3 Grenfell covering so it wasn't an eyesore for all those people living in the new expensive flats that used to be television centre.

koogs, Friday, 2 October 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link

I'd love to tell the architect: you think this is shit money, pal. Wait till you see some of the brutalist jobs we've got lined up for you!

calzino, Friday, 2 October 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link

lol I can remember being almost as pompous as the architect when I signed on for a 6 weeks in between a company liquidation and a new job. "Do you mind madam, I don't work in biscuit factories.. I'm an apprentice trained fully qualified professional you know". lol that would be an instant sanction these days.

calzino, Friday, 2 October 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link

Wait til they find out they're supposed to do 35 hours a week of job searches if they're going to be allowed to collect their pittance

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link

Have to say the people interviewed in that Guardian piece don't come across as natural Tories, we know full well how many people enthusiastically endorsed eviscerating the benefits system. Architect sounds awful though.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link

Like, you would think the collision of the middle classes with UC would drive a change in government policy but if it's mostly going to affect young or metropolitan Labour or even LibDem voters the government will conclude it can probably cope with a few people complaining to the Guardian. But a trickle is likely to become a flood including in areas they actually care about.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link

They've been all over Radio 4 too so it's definitely affecting Tories

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link

sowing ... reaping, sympathy rating minus ten etc!

calzino, Friday, 2 October 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/01/rishi-sunak-winter-destruction-britain-workers-job-support-scheme?

This sounds right, but again a lot of the affected might be either saving for a mortgage or trying to keep on top of one. What is the end game here? Is this a calculation that not enough ppl will be affected?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 October 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link

Can't make a Singapore without breaking a few spirits

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 October 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link

there is so much projection on Rishi as a successor and future leader, but the thing is he is a dim but not nice lightweight imo. RLB had him for breakfast on a televised debate in December and he was like some overpromoted out of his depth office junior, his best retort was some weak stuff about the primacy of capitalism and how great it is etc and then he went very awkward and quiet when she pointed out the actions of people like his boss whilst a deutsche bank executive directly caused the 2008 financial crisis. I doubt he has any strategy at all other than pursuing his own career ambitions.

calzino, Friday, 2 October 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link

Also Johnson and Cummings will want to hang him out to dry over the next few months to nobble any leadership challenge. Any anointed one will be taken down a peg or ten.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 October 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

good news everybody

Brilliant to see Keir recommit to his leadership campaign pledges, which should form the foundations of a transformative programme to rise to the challenges of #COVID19.

No stepping back from our core principles.https://t.co/OX0uFfOeHJ

— lan Byrne MP (@IanByrneMP) October 3, 2020

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 October 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link

that's great news, he is fully committed to the one or two pledges he hasn't run a fucking light blue labour tank over just yet!

calzino, Saturday, 3 October 2020 09:54 (three years ago) link

Ian Byrne - probably best turning off your notifications for a few hours!

calzino, Saturday, 3 October 2020 10:03 (three years ago) link

1. Sunak’s planned cut to benefits is MUCH bigger than Osborne’s in 2015. This time 6m households will lose £1,000 each next April vs 3.3 million 5yrs back - that adds up to an £8bn income reduction this time vs less than £4bn last time pic.twitter.com/VbZ7NGz07e

— Torsten Bell (@TorstenBell) October 3, 2020

could do with some opposition right now as Rishi is plotting some deeper cuts than Gideon's.

calzino, Saturday, 3 October 2020 10:19 (three years ago) link

i didn't even realise the current UC was a bonus amount ffs

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 October 2020 10:20 (three years ago) link


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