Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

Pretty sure I first "heard" "Rhiannon" thanks to Master of Kung Fu.

So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/oscar-isaac-moon-knight-marvel-series.html

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-set-video-gives-us-a-much-better-look-at-hailee-steinfeld-and-jeremy-renner-a180551#gs.mgnaf1

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

Huh, I had stopped reading by then.

Spider-Man 2099 was an ongoing two years before that

not to mention that the film had Spider-Folk from six universes, but the original Spider-Verse comics on which the film was based featured Spidey-Persons from dozens of universes, crossed over half a dozen existing titles, launched several titles featuring new Spider-Ladies and recurring -Verse miniseries, and was itself adapting a video game by the same spider-writer-and-comments-troll.

Anything with superheroes is fundamentally uninteresting to me, I don't like to begrudge others their fun but in the last decade it has become impossible to filter out while still being interested in other pop culture, just hope we can move on soon.

May I c+p your post into all 413,209 threads about things that don't interest me? I think people would really enjoy that.

We're 10,000 posts into the Marvel Cinematic Universe: Classic Or Dud thread, with about three or four of those posts saying "dud." You don't need to freak out on anyone who mildly says "idk, idgi"

10000 posts in and OL still doesn't realize that this mega franchise is in no way similar to anything else in existence in terms of pop culture dominance and sheer unavoidability, just a straight decade of acting like people are needlessly piling on some poor random movie and not the default interest of human beings under the age of 50

I thought my joek was pretty mild, sic, compared to the umpteenth hyperbolic claim that we are still collectively unable to avoid this franchise that hasn't had a new entry in (checks) 1.5 years now.

you've been posting like this much longer than 1.5 years and will continue to do so after covid dies down and disney begins pummeling movie theaters with their franchises once more

Yeah probably, because I enjoy the MCU movies and enjoy posting about how I enjoy the MCU movies in the thread dedicated to the MCU movies.

I've also posted about how Disney's business practices are increasingly fucked and how I don't enjoy that but please don't let me interrupt ya flow.

plenty of people here are capable of talking about enjoying this franchise without acting like someone shot their dog whenever it's lightly criticized. i still care enough about it to watch them in theaters. meanwhile you immediately jumped into this poll after it was made with your dukes up looking to rehash the same arguments with the same posters. it doesn't have to be this way!

there is only #onethread but unfortunately it's the politics thread

I'm done I'm done

Anyway dud

Every time an MCU is criticized, a dog of mine gets shot.

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Eh, who cares about criticizing the MCU? Plenty of valid reasons to do so imo and even those of us that are big fans do it too, at least about specific decisions/ideas. For me, it's just exhausting that people feel the need to go out of their way to jump into the one active thread about the MCU to remind us all how much they hate the franchise and don't get how anyone could possibly enjoy it. What's the point? Considering we keep it to one rolling thread at a time to cover multiple films a year, and now multiple upcoming TV series, it's not like ILM is getting flooded with obnoxious MCU threads.

I don't know, it's just that people get understandably annoyed when someone randomly parachutes into, say, the yearly rolling rap thread to remind everyone that they can't stand rap. But somehow it just keeps happening on the MCU threads and even just pointing it out is someone the wrong thing to do?

Understandable, but in that case it probably shouldn't be a Classic or Dud thread.

Fair, I don't know if I understand the reason of why we are structuring them as such still.

there just needs to be a thread exclusively for stanning the MCU and The 1975

*runs to the Guy Fieri thread*

#onethread

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yaaay i love Wonder Man so much

I haven't caught up with that show yet, but I noticed a commercial or two for it during the Oscars, which indicated some degree of faith Disney has in the show.

everyone should watch it esp if you are tired of Marvel Shows

it is a lovely gift to us all

Someone please tell me if the new Punisher special feels connected to the recent Daredevil, or does it anticipate the new Spider-Man movie at all? Because aside from dutifully doing all my MCU homework I have next to no interest in the Punisher as a character.

I'll be watching it tomorrow night, so I'll let you know if nobody else does

(I'm going to guess it's a single story by itself)

actually sod it, i'll watch it now

yeah zero connection to anything else. If you've no interest in the Punisher character this will not be for you.

(otoh, if you do like Punisher it's pretty fucking great.)

I think I saw a review that more or less posited it as a kind of soft reboot, wrapping up his place in the TV world and nudging him in the direction of the MCU.

I guess a trailer is out? Haven't seen it, but apparently upping the graaaaaaavity. Because they have to get people invested after so many years of wheel spinning.

I watched it and I am officially numb to super-anything.

it ups the gravity if "guy portentously delivers voiceover line in grim voice" counts

In my mind I had missed oodles of these post-Endgame. Apparently I've only missed six, which is admittedly a lot when I've seen all but one of the previous 22. But in the same post-endgame period they've made something like fifteen TV shows, all unseen by me, and the nine movies I have seen have been a REALLY mixed bag.

I'm kind of shocked and slightly embarrassed that I *have* seen nine of those, since not a one was a true slam-dunk "loved that" time at the movies. The Holland Spider-Men mix moments of delightful invention with tedious sequel setup, fan-service and box-ticking. Coogler tried with Wakanda Forever but Boseman's death left a huge void, which the franchise people filled with setup for TV shows. Shang-Chi and Thunderbolts were both pretty good in story and character, but completely let down by dull visuals and the omnipresent lack of any memorable or compelling action scenes, kind of a problem for a bunch of action movies. Thor 4 I can't remember at all. Quantumania was an out-and-out disaster, totally all wrong and a true slog to get through. The Raimi and Zhao ones had moments of real personality and weirdness, so they're the best by default.

It really feels like this pop-culture engine that's just churning stuff out, formerly able to do that while maintaining acceptable quality and/or "event" aura, and which can no longer reliably maintain either.

I think the constant stream of product w/movies and shows that tie back and forth with each other is a double-edged sword, it keeps a part of the audience engaged. but for me, once i was losing a bit of interest (i think shang chi was the last one i ever saw in the theater), you feel like you've got all this homework to do to get caught up and it feels a bit daunting and i just don't care to watch all this crap just to go see a new movie.

i wouldn't be surprised if for that reason they steer clear of relying on storylines from the TV shows for this one, their dominance has slipped away and this might be the last chance to get it back. my kid is totally disinterested in this one, Quantumania really broke the spell and ruined the whole thing for him completely.

there is a plausible leaked plot ...

Afaict it looks like the Marvel supes and Fantastic Four vs. Doom and the X-Men.

Which would align with the leaked plot for ... reasons anyone inclined can google.

The way Doom says "faced" in this trailer is like he briefly switched from Latveria to Lancashire.

Doom’s voiceover in the first part of the trailer reminds me of Nandor from What We Do in the Shadows. Now I’m fully expecting a showdown at the Panera Bread.

so was that RDJ doing the voice read, because the idea of him doing a weird nonspecific european thing for the whole film had me laughing from the jump

I've heard some rumors it's going to be 45 minutes too long and climax with an interimable CG battle scene

Marvel’s finally entered their Rocklahoma Festival phase

I don't have anything serious to add about the MCU, but this is as good a time as any to remind people of the existence of the Tuscadero song, Dr. Doom, from their 1998 album, My Way or the Highway.

https://open.spotify.com/track/3uAaWFNx0auGfa13OyrWUf?si=4b29e8f412d7451e

Now singing "Doctorin' the Tardis" with "Dr. Doom" instead of "Dr. Who."

I saw someone mention "Fantastic Four" somewhere, and one of the first responses was from someone that didn't like the movie and could barely remember the Galactus battle at the end, and I stopped reading and thought, jeez ... neither do it! There was a Fantastic Four movie where they fight Galactus at the end, and it was forgettable.

Will there be a fight scene in the middle of a city street with cars and buses being thrown around? No? Then I'm out.

it's absurd that tickets for this already went on sale. it's 5 months away!

Will there be a shot in slo mo of someone launching themselves at something huge, arcing toward it through the air with a giant weapon in their hand?

does doom say that he's "still quick to slice squares like sicialians?" in this? no? then i'm out.