ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

Liberals xp

unbelievable

Looking forward to the whole company doing sensitivity training

it's almost like they have a very laissez faire no-standards-apply attitude when it comes to attacking an already deposed LOTO of the left.

it's amazing some far-right headcase never murdered jez. It's always easier to attack someone who is frequently on a push iron rather than the man in the hench car who is cosplaying Death Race 2000

the murdoch press has been literally goading anyone who might be inclined for years now so yeah surprising it hasn't happened already

xp I mean they did try and that guy did punch him in the head at a mosque but that was just a laugh wasn’t it

Solidarity to @jeremycorbyn, a kind, decent and truly principled man. He should be reinstated immediately.

— Zarah Sultana MP (@zarahsultana) October 29, 2020

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elh4L0HXgAE4BTz?format=jpg&name=medium

such risible shit U can't take it seriously of course, but even if there was another melty right-wing arsehole LOTO other than Starmer, perhaps they might have been savvy enough not stoke up an already heated factional war and just quietly ride out the news cycle, just when the Tories needed a distraction from their starving poor children policies that was putting their own party under serious pressure.

Unfortunately if you think that the ‘vile Corbyn cabal’s legacy of hate’ is an ‘exaggeration by political enemies’, you’re part of the problem.

doesn't the word cabal have antisemitic connotations

Thread on EOTHO

Today I m sharing another paper on unintended consequences of a UK policy which makes me cringe at how my tax money is spent all the while debating #FreeSchoolMeals "Subsidizing the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’s #EOHO scheme". ➡️ https://t.co/ebrSXrQ0hT a thread🧵⬇️ pic.twitter.com/mv7awXn8x6

— Thiemo Fetzer (@fetzert) October 30, 2020

The DID estimates suggest between 8-17% of all detected #COVID19 infections were due to the #EOHO scheme seeding the 2nd wave across the country

You will probably have missed it in the furore today, but the Joint Committee on Human Rights issued an absolutely *damning* report into the bill today. It would leave the UK in breach of international human rights commitments over a fictitious problem. https://t.co/SK0x7llRPZ

— James B (@piercepenniless) October 29, 2020

A good day to bury bad news, evidently.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sars-nigeria-police-protests-uk-government-training-equipment-b1424447.html

We know the government export arms to Yemen already. Doesn't matter, just jobs jobs jobs.

the Tories must have breathed a sigh of relief at this morning's papers. Just as the free school meals campaign was hitting home, Starmer turns his guns on the left https://t.co/jt1p7OfdjJ

— tom (@malaiseforever) October 30, 2020

just as he was getting away with his milquetoast constructive opposition thanks to the work of a man Utd striker, the abysmal cunt scores an own goal

I agree with this view.

It's easy to say 'KS's attacks on the Labour left help him become more electable', etc -- the logic of that is drearily familiar enough.

But in this case I don't think it's correct. During a pandemic that is now once again killing (I think) hundreds of UK people per day, that is causing economic carnage, more mass unemployment to come - with the government specifically under attack via a popular extra-political campaign (Rashford) -- and even with the US situation next week possibly unfavourable to the current UK government --

amid all that, KS has still managed to turn the news cycle into 'Labour turmoil'.

Even if that was worth short-term cost, I don't think the longer-term gain plays out well for him. The party could now be embroiled in legal cases about this for years; an issue that people wanted to say was 'drawn a line under' becomes a perpetual controversy again; KS has guaranteed a 'divided party' and lost all goodwill he had built up from his opponents; and has permanently alienated, say, 10-20% of his coalition of members / supporters / voters? Many of whom were the most likely to campaign and get things done on the ground, as well as giving money.

I just don't think that the pragmatic electoral maths of this add up to a good decision by KS, even by the cynical pro-KS viewpoint which is the opposite of the one I hold.

5% lead for Labour in new IM poll conveniently timed.

it's terrible leadership from him, but there won't be many complaints from the PLP as long as he's Corbyn bashing, even if it is causing long term damage to the electoral prospects of the party, that will certainly come back to bite him on the arse.

Rachel Shabi has a brief thread summing it up well.

It’s beyond frustrating to see Labour yet again descend into factionalism over this issue and thus torpedo the EHRC report. Corbyn’s statement yesterday was ill-advised, to put it mildly - and the party response to it equally so.

— rachel shabi (@rachshabi) October 30, 2020

And another

my overwhelming feeling this morning is one of deep shame and embarrassment. i feel mortified at what my jewishness is used for in this society. i feel ashamed of how some jews have conducted themselves. i feel like i have to be apologetic about how i am racialised.

— michael (@Sisyphusa) October 30, 2020

Having both Livingston and Chris Williamson on your station within 24 hours suggests your revulsion at anti-Semitism is less important than controversy and attention

— Luke Bailey (@imbadatlife) October 30, 2020

is that referring to the BBC or Times Radio?

not sure there's much of a substantive distinction to be drawn there at this point tbh

Times Radio, supposedly let CW spread conspiracy theories, great duty of care to listeners there.

yeah I caught a few seconds of that!

Times Radio is allowed to run adverts depicting itself as an honest reasonable source of news and opinion, i'm pretty sure nothing matters

those ads are profoundly aggravating

You'd like to think this is the last we'll see of Chris Williamson until he inevitably becomes the first person evicted in a Celebrity Big Brother revival but no one ever has the good grace to just shut up and go away any more.

It's also obviously a complete failure on Times Radio's part to treat this like a serious issue but then we all know that.

I'd be interested to know what happened with Williamson's court case the the revisions to the report it apparently forced but Williamson is just about the last person i'd want to hear it from.

He didn’t get mentioned as much as I’d suspect in the report, including on some of the things we talked about at the time (deciding to go off about Israel on the day of the Tree of Life shooting).

A lot going on here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EllavKEWoAEyQd0?format=jpg&name=large

How is this real, she’s openly scoffing at him!

“I really don't think that it would have been appropriate for me to call or text Jeremy Corbyn.”

Labour leader Keir Starmer tells @wizbates how Jeremy Corbyn was notified of his suspension, which was issued after the former leader’s reaction to a report on anti-Semitism. pic.twitter.com/NJpBMkBJ7S

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) October 30, 2020

just totally mugging off the dickhead! Is channel 4 good again?

Keith still sees fax machines as shock of the new-tech

you can FP me like the blitz, but I will say Boris actually has more charm than this prick. He's the worst kind of personality-free, arsey boss tyrant who get's completely flustered at the slightest challenge to his ego/sense of self-importance.

saw liz bates channel 4 news story introduction last night she said "all of this suggests this about a lot more than antisemitism, this is a fight for the heart and soul of the labour party - internal divisions that many hoped had been left behind"

love how she's openly laughing at him

you sent him a LETTER WTF he probably still hasn't got it and you're on the fucking news to justify it!

Tbf he says they scanned it, but after he’d got flustered lol. You’re the party leader, how do you pretend you don’t know every detail of this.

Where is the gif of Starmer being unable to copy and paste from the McLibel doc when you need it?

Man that Bush article, just seems another hopeless hack now.

Small wonder that by the time of the 2019 election, more than eight out of 10 British Jews believed Jeremy Corbyn to be antisemitic, and even more refused to back Labour at the election in the same year.

Maybe a small point but this is still based on the Survation surveys carried out with fewer than a thousand Jewish voters each time and the % of support among surveyed Jewish voters for Tories having been at almost 70% even up to the 2015 GE. From a JC piece in the run up to GE17:

a Survation poll of Anglo-Jewish voting intentions, commissioned by the JC and published in the spring of 2015, showed that, of those Jewish respondents declaring an intention to vote, 22 per cent still said they would vote Labour. But 69 per cent indicated they would back the Tories.

Though that same article suggests that in early 2016, before the Chakrabarti Report debacle, they measured support for Labour among Jewish voters as having dropped to under 10% already.

"KS has still managed to turn the news cycle into Labour turmoil"

I get that but maybe it would have been skilled of Corbyn to have a low key day, too?

Pretty fanciful to believe that there wouldn't have been a couple of days of terrible headlines regardless, except in the very unlikely event of the EHRC exonerating Labour in its entirety.

Oh, am sure that would have happened. This is going to turn into a months, maybe years thing, though.

between the covers on BBC2. kill* these insufferable 6 music xunts

*shoe

If Labour were exonerated you’d still get a certain kind of centrist crank saying ‘the fact Labour were investigated at all means Jez must go, expel him...’

The Gove letter shows how it would have gone if Corbyn had stayed. It was always going to be made maximum hay of

yeah but as well as dominating the news cycle he has also stoked up the factional war by about a 100 notches and it will only cause him pain, it would have faded faster if he didn't suspend Corbyn - he would have known this was a bad move if the cunt had a clue.

he's fucked it basically, because he is going to look a weak and bungling idiot when Corbyn wins any legal challenge and he can't chuck him out the party. It might temporarily please some of his trash friends at LBC and the Murdoch press who he is constantly playing to, but in a FPTP system, pissing off a few thousand people is enough to potentially lose you a lot of marginal seats. Even some people who hate him as much as I do might have still reluctantly voted for the cunt before this.

he's got his electoral math badly wrong imo and I predict there definitely won't be 10 m turning out to vote for him at the next election. He's already doing his best to alienate something like roughly a million BAME voters and this is just after six fucking months!