GET OUT: US politics November 2020

NPA is good for Biden right? feel like a big chunk of that is young people who don't register under a certain party

― frogbs,

Yep. I need to find the stats showing Florida voters under 30 support Biden overwhelmingly but don't wanna be Democrats.

1. the judges are all bought (they’re not)

Yeah, they don't need to be "bribed." A significant number are ideologues on a mission. What country have you been watching?

2. they actually have money set aside to pay lawyers (no reason to believe his campaign can do this since they can’t afford buses atm)

They will absolutely find the resources to litigate these results, it's just naive to think this will come down to a lack of money.

3. the lawyers will be capable of mounting serious arguments (nothing about the campaign or his other non-DOJ attorneys so far suggests this)

This has absolutely nothing to do with filing paperwork and creating delays. Again, have you met the Republican party?

I mean I guess you could say there is a “machine” ready to steal the election for Trump, in the sense that a 1985 Yugo is a machine.

Nobody said anything about "serious arguments."

The Republican Party is a machine. This is a weird thing to get hung up on.

This Machine Doesn't Kill Lawyers

TOMBOT knows the federal bureaucracy and the processes of a political party, so I tend to side with him in these arguments.

Further to Tombot's point: isn't it patently obvious by now that Trump's on the last bit of the bully defense, the great bluff? There's barely any there there. That various toadies and lickspittles are trying things isn't a surprise but there's hardly a grand scale of it. Consider Texas -- so, obviously, lots of back and forth in past weeks, clearly bullshit on Abbott's part, etc. But this last punt re the Harris County drive-throughs -- already shot down separately by the state Supreme Court, all Republican -- is the work of, what, Allen West, who Abbott seems to have little love for, and a disgruntled GOP rep? As for Trump himself, he's grasping at the last straws he can, the 'shitposting' as Kilgore Trout puts it on Twitter, and that's all he has and all he's been doing, even today.

xp And the Brook Brothers rioters were unpaid volunteers

Brooks

The Republican Party is a machine. This is a weird thing to get hung up on.

I don't believe that the smacking down of several absurd lawsuits speaks even remotely to the likelihood of more such lawsuits. This is what happens when the strategy is to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

The PA results at least will be litigated.

I tend to agree with Tombot too. He's about the only one speaking from a place of knowledge and reason rather than shellshocked fear.

Hi-tech GOP operative at work:

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xp no but this kind of typically flip, condescending shit is

There’s really not but OK

The national strategy of disqualifying as many votes as possible is not a Trump hail Mary, it is the primary republican approach going forward. Their lock on the courts is what makes it possible because they have their judges in place who are ready and willing to side with voter suppression regardless of whether the law or logic is on their side.

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🚨 DK Election Pool Alert: With over 350K entries, a majority of people in every state besides Colorado predict that @realdonaldtrump will be the winner of tomorrow’s election. pic.twitter.com/zUF0uZZtwK

— DraftKings (@DraftKings) November 2, 2020

one thing that's absolutely gonna be fun to watch (if there does not happen to be a catastrophic nationwide polling error) is the subsequent meltdown from Republicans, the majority of whom legitimately think Trump is going to win tomorrow.

dammit

If by fun you mean watching armed militias take to the streets to terrorize people, then yeah, I agree.

Can someone among you characterize the forces by which Amy Coney Barrett was confirmed to the Supreme Court, having nothing whatever to do with Donald J. Trump, and explain how that same apparatus is supposed to be incapable of mounting a case (however nonserious or unlikely to succeed?) against, for instance, the PA results?

These are the worst sore losers I've ever seen, it won't be pretty.

Hadrian, I'm with you.

Also, I'm just going to say it: I find gambling so distasteful that that Draft Kings graphic made me more viscerally angry than I've been in a day or two.

This is very high-stakes for the same people, for the same reasons, with the additional motivation of prosecutorial immunity for a host of crimes.

Yes, especially when the rush to confirm Barrett was explicitly about making sure the election would be thrown to Trump.

Hadrian, the Trump campaign is not the Senate.

Seems to me the rush was more like McConnell thinking "Yeah we will not get this chance again for a while," and that isn't even about Senate control but not having a GOP president to do the nominating. Hell there was that report back in summer he was suggesting various federal judges should retire while they could so he could get them replaced before he couldn't anymore.

lmao Draft King's nationwide poll of 41 year old white male degenerate gamblers

xxp The Trump campaign is not twhat we're talking about. "The Trump Campaign" as such hardly exists. The prime mover in a contested election is the same coalition of Heritage Institute, AEI, the Koches and Sheldon Adelsons, etc.

ILX Will Eat Itself

The notion that these parties are going to suddenly sit back and not get involved because "not serious" or whatever seems jusut shockingly naive. They are bracing for their gains in SCOTUS and regulatory rollbacks to be wiped out in year one.

why would a bunch of think tanks throw good money after bad on behalf of a loser?

never mind, this is dumb. nobody’s learning anything here.

If by fun you mean watching armed militias take to the streets to terrorize people, then yeah, I agree.

― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, November 2, 2020 9:21 AM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

all right, i'm out of this thread

enjoy your panic spirals everyone

Could we maybe not do the part where we start shaming each other for how we are dealing with this tremendous anxiety>

Not in response to your post Brad, but in general, we all aren't all at Alfred's level of zen here yet folks.

probably not, I was already a dick to Hadrian apparently and that’s purely because I’m choosing to process this week differently than he is

ah yes, panic spiraling, the tried and true mechanism for coping with anxiety. works every time.

I think we are all, obviously, at different phases and methods of trying to make it through the week.

FFS there's a difference between "panic spiraling" and understandably anxious over how things could go wrong and/or sideways tomorrow. Jesus Christ.

I’m reading Wodehouse this week. Highly recommend it if you have the option.

It's entirely possible to ackowlege danger w/o "panicking." I know we'll never get past this dyamic here, but that assertion always rings to me as a little bit of projection.

Personally I'm cautiously optimistic. AND I know better by now than to underestimate the enemy.

Muriel Spark too.

xpost

Do we have an Election Panic thread so we can keep this one a bit less manic?

A huge chunk of Trump's stop counting votes at 12:01 AM on 11/4 argument will get blown to shit if he is behind at that time and I think there is a very good chance that is the case.

I appreciate the rosier takes here! Nobody's slamming Alfred for feeling solid about things... It just always only seems to happen in the other direction.

xp No reason we can't have both and let everybody find their own level

i mean whatever, i've just accepted i'm not going to be real calm for the next few days
i'm gonna get tipsy and stoned tomorrow night
not the most healthy but fuck it
i'm just acknowledging this is what's going down and i'm not going to further stress myself out by feeling bad about it

FFS there's a difference between "panic spiraling" and understandably anxious over how things could go wrong and/or sideways tomorrow. Jesus Christ.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, November 2, 2020 11:40 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Which one helps you and the outcome?

@ulysses

rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

generally i don't think unloading anxiety into a conversation with other ppl is the best way of dealing with anxiety