ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

Wasn't thinking in UK electoral terms, I meant the EU are just so much better at this sort of thing than Tories.

one observation during the unrelenting brexit tedium of the last few years was that part of joining the EU meant that a core competence for negotiating trade deals shifted from the UK into a central EU pool, for obvious and very good reasons. did mean we had no recent history, experience, or institutional knowledge of doing that for the purposes of brexit.

also, ofc and as you say, there are a lot of thick as pigshit tories, and even the ones who aren't thick are stupefied by ideology. as someone said of US politics recently, 'the gap between right-wing crazy brain worms shock jocks and the tip top intellectual echelon of the right is much much smaller than you might think.'

Just like the US the smart ones are starting to realise they’re fucked whatever they do, too.

*eyeballs*

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Are there any grounds for interpreting Johnson's comments as a deliberate reference to Kristallnacht besides his use of the phrase 'broken glass' and the fact that it relates to Germany?

— cancel couture (@MediocreDave) December 13, 2020

Corbyn announced his project with a placeholder URL featuring his own name rather than the name of the project and didn't also register the actual name, which now hosts a hostile parody site.

— cancel couture (@MediocreDave) December 13, 2020

c'mon jez ffs, that was a bit slack!

How will this go down in The Red Wall Keith.

LBC caller says her Millwall fan husband booed and her question is whether white people also have freedom of expression before they become a minority (!!!!). KS: “I don’t think it was right to boo.”

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) December 14, 2020

it's so much worse than the Sienna Rodgers summary, holy shit https://t.co/2l8sCcjUMu

— 𝐀𝐍𝐓𝐈𝐅𝐀 𝐏𝐇𝐏𝐁𝐁 𝐅𝐎𝐑𝐔𝐌 🅰🅳🅼🅸🅽 (@TypingOfTheRed) December 14, 2020

there is a longer transcript here of our brave human rights lawyer just having a friendly chat with a replacement theory adherent with legit concerns that needed to be heard.

if he keeps a weekly open dialogue with her, without ever calling her a bigot then that's 1269 votes in Bishop Aukland in the bag!

What is this new Corbyn project about anyway? Felt ultra vague to me.

peace in our allotments

less bloodshed more woodshed

he has assembled a cadre of sympathetic gamers to go through cyberpunk 2077 with a fine tooth comb to identify glaring inaccuracies like this

C'mon @CyberpunkGame, of all the bugs, this is the worst! There may be some canon reason why German manhole covers are used in Night City. But, please, DIN B125 is only allowed approved for pedestrian walkways. On roads, it should be a Begu D400 to support the weight! pic.twitter.com/i3nl0bn0vF

— Wintermute (@ClipperChip) December 11, 2020

someone with such a broad knowledge of the manhole regs has always got a job waiting for him!

The line just before "look across to the middle east" involves bringing the political sphere into the football arena, which is quite a Day Today image.

(He actually did better than I feared here - the chances of him having a Gillian Duffy moment are and have always been 0.0%)

Gemma: "my husband was actually there... he joined in the booing. he has since been labelled as a racist... in the wake of organisations like BLM and other advocacy groups pushing what's best for their people, i just want to ask, should white people also start playing identity politics now before they become a minority themselves by 2066

JFC...I don't know what I prefer out of this being a genuine caller or some set up

Tfw you don't have any set of beliefs.

• My (limited) experience of live, call in radio suggests it can be a fairly chaotic experience, and as a non-professional, reacting in real time can be tricky. It's not to explain away what happened, just a caveat, one which holds for anyone. If you see that as bias, up to you.

— Peter Walker (@peterwalker99) December 14, 2020

in fairness to kieth, as a guardian journalist I'm not interested in getting basic facts right

In fairness to Keir S, Nick Ferrari was talking over some of the caller, so he might not have heard all "indigenous people" stuff.

— Peter Walker (@peterwalker99) December 14, 2020

How would you not just die of embarrassment after scraping the barrel that hard to defend someone ffs

This morning a member of the white supremacist group Patriotic Alternative called @LBC to tell Labour leader Keir Starmer that Millwall fans were right to boo BLM & white people were under threat. On Friday, we profiled this fascist group and its roots in antisemitic Nazism https://t.co/e87v2OJtKp

— voice.wales (@voice_wales) December 14, 2020

Oh Betty, Kieth has done a whoopsie on the carpet!

oh no surely this will turn Kieth's supporters against him

looking forward to the complete absence of allegedly centrist journos explaining why this was no biggie

No doubt one of his apologists will be reporting he was furious with LBC's lack of due diligence on their guests, which was definitely the first time they've given a platform to a neo-nazi on there.

Ah man, don't read the comments of that voice_wales tweet

Especially don't open the hidden comments

I'm feeling strong today, might take a peek

The extremely online fash sure have a way of seeming more numerous than they probably are

I've heard if you love the smell of fascism then sex-nazi Kieth is yer man!

NEW: Michel Barnier has told EU member states there has been some movement on the level playing field, and on dispute resolution, but that fisheries talks remain "very difficult" @rtenews understands. Sources say this could go through this week and beyond...

— Tony Connelly (@tconnellyRTE) December 14, 2020

As daft as fish is as a deal wrecker, it still makes more sense than these tory fucks wrangling over state intervention!

Secretary [pounding her clipboard]: FISH, FISH, FISH!

pitch: a Wind Waker/Mad Max hybrid video game where you play as a hard-bitten English fisherman roaming the high seas, scuttling invading EU boats and upgrading your harpoon and Union jack battle standard as you go along

and says it's coming down to bloody fish

it's always been about the bloody fish /shining

Fish is big and contentious, employment figures dont cover the depth or scale of it and no those arent puns but they are the right words

The loss of fishing rights is a historical blow that was never felt to have been put right on either island and im not at all surprised that its one of the big contention points

deems OTM. This "Fishing is only 0.02% of the GDP and only 500 people work in it" narrative I keep hearing makes me really uncomfortable tbh, it is completely tin-eared and reminds me of the Tory arguments for shutting down the mines.

Fish and its siblings agriculture, the shape of bananas and cucumbers, and straws, have been a driving force behind the brexit vote, so I'm not surprised it's come down to that. Not surprised it's the last thing Bojo will concede on, either.

It may be different over there, but here the fishing lobby has been spoiling for a fight ever since 92 and the CAP deal which very much sold out fishing rights so that farmers would benefit, so "sibling" isnt quite right over here and i suspect not over there either.

Where it does seem similar in both countries is that quotas operate in much the same way as EU grants, essentially creating oligarchies and removing in most meaningful ways the ability of seasonal small boat fishermen to exist- big farming and big fishing are lobby groups that now exist to ensure that the parcelling of resources stays in the essentially privatised cartel system.

Selling quota is a bigger earner than landing fish once you get to a certain overhead.

But that's a bit of a remove from the point- the mines is an apt comparison for what quotas (synonymous with "EU deals" although that's arguably sleight-of-hand") has done to fishing as an employer and way of life across the entire coastline of the archipelago

I meant sibling more re: fishing/farming related in their common argument/complaint: being against EU regulations, against the EU deciding what is and isn't allowed. A lot of people voted for brexit to get rid of this 'interference', to 'take back control' etc*. 90% of Cornish fishermen voted brexit; that's not surprising given that except for fishing, there's not much else there (and they've already lost the mines). It's about autonomy, but you are right to point out fishing rights have been sold off with little in return. And yes, that's the same for the fishing industry over here.

* no amount of control will 'save' the fishing industry at large though, whoever calls the shots. What with hauling in way too much fish etc.

Nb. this, on the fishing industry, was an interesting series on the beeb, caught it earlier this year. It really hammered home the problems they have with brain-drain and housing in particular. https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/celebs-tv/biggest-issues-facing-cornish-fishing-3775285

last year's Bait was my movie of the year and it also deals with this

I suspect that when the EU is removed from the sectors post Brexit that the deregulation of practices will commence but the quotas will stay right where they are- three man trawlers aren't ever coming back to fill the harbour towns.

I've no idea otoh what is proposed to replace EU grants to British farmers

neonicotinoids iirc

good old fashioned british pluck

fish jam

Well sure, for the poultry sector

London in Tier 3. It's like the hokey cokey at my workplace, I think we were open there for a week.

Really something, this:

And here is why @MattHancock 's behaviour today was utterly disgraceful. If you need to make such an announcement, you do so carefully and with a full release of data. Look what you have done. https://t.co/G7ZYLQr5V8

— Rowena (@rowena_kay) December 14, 2020

just throw it out into the mixer lad!

haha yes hancock is the only irresponsible actor. it is funny how we literally just expect the press to be malignant and ill informed.