ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

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I'm feeling strong today, might take a peek

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 December 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link

The extremely online fash sure have a way of seeming more numerous than they probably are

imago, Monday, 14 December 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link

I've heard if you love the smell of fascism then sex-nazi Kieth is yer man!

calzino, Monday, 14 December 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link

NEW: Michel Barnier has told EU member states there has been some movement on the level playing field, and on dispute resolution, but that fisheries talks remain "very difficult" @rtenews understands. Sources say this could go through this week and beyond...

— Tony Connelly (@tconnellyRTE) December 14, 2020

Tony Connelly has been really good on these negotiations (Ireland in giving-a-fuck-about-the-EU shocker) and says it's coming down to bloody fish, ultimately. More people employed by Boots, but sure, let's get totemic

stet, Monday, 14 December 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link

As daft as fish is as a deal wrecker, it still makes more sense than these tory fucks wrangling over state intervention!

calzino, Monday, 14 December 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link

Secretary [pounding her clipboard]: FISH, FISH, FISH!

J.G Ballard otm (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 14 December 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link

pitch: a Wind Waker/Mad Max hybrid video game where you play as a hard-bitten English fisherman roaming the high seas, scuttling invading EU boats and upgrading your harpoon and Union jack battle standard as you go along

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 14 December 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link

and says it's coming down to bloody fish

it's always been about the bloody fish /shining

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 14 December 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link

Fish is big and contentious, employment figures dont cover the depth or scale of it and no those arent puns but they are the right words

The loss of fishing rights is a historical blow that was never felt to have been put right on either island and im not at all surprised that its one of the big contention points

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Monday, 14 December 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

deems OTM. This "Fishing is only 0.02% of the GDP and only 500 people work in it" narrative I keep hearing makes me really uncomfortable tbh, it is completely tin-eared and reminds me of the Tory arguments for shutting down the mines.

Godless Tiny Tim (Tom D.), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link

Fish and its siblings agriculture, the shape of bananas and cucumbers, and straws, have been a driving force behind the brexit vote, so I'm not surprised it's come down to that. Not surprised it's the last thing Bojo will concede on, either.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link

It may be different over there, but here the fishing lobby has been spoiling for a fight ever since 92 and the CAP deal which very much sold out fishing rights so that farmers would benefit, so "sibling" isnt quite right over here and i suspect not over there either.

Where it does seem similar in both countries is that quotas operate in much the same way as EU grants, essentially creating oligarchies and removing in most meaningful ways the ability of seasonal small boat fishermen to exist- big farming and big fishing are lobby groups that now exist to ensure that the parcelling of resources stays in the essentially privatised cartel system.

Selling quota is a bigger earner than landing fish once you get to a certain overhead.

But that's a bit of a remove from the point- the mines is an apt comparison for what quotas (synonymous with "EU deals" although that's arguably sleight-of-hand") has done to fishing as an employer and way of life across the entire coastline of the archipelago

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link

I meant sibling more re: fishing/farming related in their common argument/complaint: being against EU regulations, against the EU deciding what is and isn't allowed. A lot of people voted for brexit to get rid of this 'interference', to 'take back control' etc*. 90% of Cornish fishermen voted brexit; that's not surprising given that except for fishing, there's not much else there (and they've already lost the mines). It's about autonomy, but you are right to point out fishing rights have been sold off with little in return. And yes, that's the same for the fishing industry over here.

* no amount of control will 'save' the fishing industry at large though, whoever calls the shots. What with hauling in way too much fish etc.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link

Nb. this, on the fishing industry, was an interesting series on the beeb, caught it earlier this year. It really hammered home the problems they have with brain-drain and housing in particular. https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/celebs-tv/biggest-issues-facing-cornish-fishing-3775285

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

last year's Bait was my movie of the year and it also deals with this

imago, Monday, 14 December 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link

I suspect that when the EU is removed from the sectors post Brexit that the deregulation of practices will commence but the quotas will stay right where they are- three man trawlers aren't ever coming back to fill the harbour towns.

I've no idea otoh what is proposed to replace EU grants to British farmers

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link

neonicotinoids iirc

imago, Monday, 14 December 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link

good old fashioned british pluck

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link

fish jam

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link

Well sure, for the poultry sector

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link

London in Tier 3. It's like the hokey cokey at my workplace, I think we were open there for a week.

Godless Tiny Tim (Tom D.), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link

Really something, this:

And here is why @MattHancock 's behaviour today was utterly disgraceful. If you need to make such an announcement, you do so carefully and with a full release of data. Look what you have done. https://t.co/G7ZYLQr5V8

— Rowena (@rowena_kay) December 14, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link

just throw it out into the mixer lad!

calzino, Monday, 14 December 2020 23:13 (three years ago) link

haha yes hancock is the only irresponsible actor. it is funny how we literally just expect the press to be malignant and ill informed.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 07:54 (three years ago) link

My exclusive in today’s paper - Carrie Symonds has been named Peta’s person of the year because of her animal welfare campaigning - & she’s been congratulated by Angela Rayner https://t.co/Nw8ULFR1uy pic.twitter.com/pkPg6xOGX9

— Helena Horton (@horton_official) December 15, 2020

one party state

calzino, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:28 (three years ago) link

PETA can go fuck themselves - I'm going to buy myself a mink fur coat for xmas and then eat a huge beefburger.

calzino, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:34 (three years ago) link

same as every year eh?

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:36 (three years ago) link

Why did so many people vote for Carrie Symonds ffs!

calzino, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:40 (three years ago) link

She might want to try some human welfare campaigning some day.

calzino, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:42 (three years ago) link

xp she is truly the people's princess

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:45 (three years ago) link

I meant to say why did so many people vote for the people's empress (again)!

calzino, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link

The People's Mistress morelikeknowwhatimean

Godless Tiny Tim (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 13:04 (three years ago) link

Great times for animal welfare, just as we're about to undo most of the environmental regulations that prevent farmers from basically salting the earth

imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 13:27 (three years ago) link

I understand most schools in Redbridge will move to online learning tomorrow. I'm told there were *7,000 pupils* isolating in the borough as of yesterday.

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) December 15, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link

bad news for the racists and their muslamic ray guns

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link

On UK unemployment:

Unemployment rose again today...or did it? A large fall in part-time and self-employment offset an "increase in full-time employees, up by 135,000 on the quarter to a record high of 21.24 million" according to the Labour Force Survey (ILO methodology)... https://t.co/vMJxv5dCuj pic.twitter.com/0Zb2tPVrfk

— Rory Macqueen (@RNMacqueen) December 15, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

some non covid festive cheer that’s really made my week.

1.
a thorough piece on Grenfell and corporate malfeasance and regulatory laissez faire that deserves in a court as corporate malfeasance and i hope will be after the report, but none of it changes these greedy laughing motherfuckers were responsible for people dying in flames in their own homes. don’t forget only four i think? of the 46 recommendations have been put in place, and they only relate to the emergency services. and ofc the torues votes down an amendment to add additional fire safety regulations to the relevant bill, including sharing fire safety design with local fire prevention teams and councils.

2.
*29* asylum seekers have died this year under home office care and protection - i joke. under a institutionalised policy driven culture of hostility, aggression and indifference. *29* ffs. that is clearly the statistic of system that is not working unless you assume “working” is “damaging, demoralising and killing asylum seekers”

3.
COVID-19: For the first time in its history UNICEF will help feed children in the UK

one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

hey it was making *me* fucking sick so i thought why not.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 08:57 (three years ago) link

For the first time UNICEF has launched a domestic emergency response in the UK to help feed children hit by the COVID-19 crisis on Universal credit.

calzino, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 09:13 (three years ago) link

^

Fizzles, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 09:19 (three years ago) link

Kieth: it is quite wrong that 29 asylum seekers died before they got competently processed

calzino, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 09:32 (three years ago) link

optimistic of you to think he will even mention it

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link

I don't know when his next slot on the radio is .. perhaps the Julia Hartley-Brewer show or maybe Rush Limbaugh ... has Farage still got a show? Lord Haw Haw.. Hitler!

calzino, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 10:27 (three years ago) link

It's our 'Bernie going on Fox News'. Fuck...

nashwan, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 10:41 (three years ago) link

I think Jezza once appeared on the same Nick Subaru show as Kieth, but just a one-off offence rather than a regular slot

calzino, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 10:47 (three years ago) link

I don't know what I expected to happen today but "Edwina Currie recommends pegging to Paul Joseph Watson" was not on the list.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 11:24 (three years ago) link

I prefer my pegging to Barry White, but it takes all sorts.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 11:29 (three years ago) link

I'm still haunted by cursed images of Currie pegging with John Major

calzino, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 11:31 (three years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/jao1qj7ims

— Big Rob (@RobSkilbeck) December 16, 2020

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 11:38 (three years ago) link

Eggs and Pegs with Edwina.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 11:40 (three years ago) link

Hang on:
No change on Christmas #Covid regulations.
'The nations are unanimous in agreement'
- Boris Johnson

Minutes later:

Scotland: People to meet up only on Xmas Day in bubbles

And

Wales: number of households allowed to mix reduced to two

-Extraordinary

— Paul Johnson (@paul__johnson) December 16, 2020

groovypanda, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 12:44 (three years ago) link


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