glad we worked this out
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
The scientists link their hypothesis to panpsychism, which sees everything as thought or consciousness. The authors think that their "panpsychic self-simulation model" can even explain the origin of an overarching panconsciousness at the foundational level of the simulations, which "self-actualizes itself in a strange loop via self-simulation." This panconsciousness also has free will and its various nested levels essentially have the ability to select what code to actualize, while making syntax choices. The goal of this consciousness? To generate meaning or information.
Let's see how much trendy bullshit we can cram into one paragraph.
― jmm, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
A new "hypothesis"! Nobel prizes all round! This is almost certainly next-level woo but I'm tempted to go down the rabbit hole if only for the lols.
We have not used the term “God” in place of panconsciousness in this document because that is an ambiguous and confusing term. It has many meanings. Two of the most general meanings associated with that word are ideas anathema to this thesis. The first is that God is infinite. This is not the case in the SSH model. Our panpsychic substrate evolves. The second is the popular idea in many religions that God creates everything. Our panpsychic self-simulation is everything and is collectively created by everything within it. It is unitary and interdependent, where the panconsciousness cannot exist without evolving through us and everything else that can make decisions.
― ledge, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:11 (three years ago) link
Is the universe a simulation or is human consciousness a simulation? Discuss.
― You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
Looked up Klee Irwin and apparently quantum physicist is his second career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OppvPEM0wEQ
― jmm, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
― jmm, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 4:10 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
^^ this sounds like someone who's simulated would say tbf
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
i wish i was able to grow a pencil moustache, they say so much
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
It's easy to simulate
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BH6JKA/teenage-girl-with-a-pencil-between-her-upper-lip-and-nose-BH6JKA.jpg
― You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link
'Strange Loops' are Hofstadter's thing, iirc.
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
The goal of this consciousness? To generate meaning or information.
Least plausible element.
― Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
alamy stock is the new snorg girl
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link
The concept of a simulation requires that some reality exists apart from the simulation for it to be similar to, otherwise there is nothing to simulate.
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
this is not really propopsing a "simulation" per se, they're just using that idea as a jumping off point
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
If I can't even tell that I'm in a simulation, the fuck do I care if robots use me as AAs in their Walkman?
― You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link
why do physicists always think they’re uniquely equipped to solve reality once and for all
haven’t read the paper so the article may be selling it short but it makes it sound like a mashup of ideas (some I like more than others) that have been buzzing around for a while in whatever you call that weird interdisciplinary zone where they talk about emergence a lot. the simulation angle seems tacked on like a hashtag to get it trending
― Left, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
worth revisiting:
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link
that weird interdisciplinary zone where they talk about emergence a lot.
Ding ding ding
https://quantumgravityresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/logo-ret-4-13-17.gif
― jmm, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link
Dr. Franklin Pangborn, Physicist
― Yes Virginia, there really is a (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 20:57 (three years ago) link
Was just about to say. 'Everything is a simulation' is virtually indistinguishable from 'everything is real'.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
this is *not* a simulation theory
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
it's the new generation of Oldsmobile
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:22 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i agree with this part “ The concept of a simulation requires that some reality exists apart from the simulation“ but not what follows. simulation does not mean “make something similar to” and a simulation doesn’t require a similar counterpart in reality
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
i cut my finger while peeling carrots yesterday. if this is a simulation, it's quite a painful and gross one and i want a word with the mods.
― treeship., Tuesday, 15 December 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
Wikipedia has settled on this definition: "A simulation is an approximate imitation of the operation of a process or system that represents its operation over time."
As I'd define a simulation, it is an extension in time of the concept of a simulacrum. While it is possible to create a simulacrum of something that does not exist directly in reality, such as a pink elephant, or a Death Star, I'd be surprised to discover any simulation whose components are not wholly modeled upon or derived from some aspect of reality, if you include mathematics as an aspect of reality. I won't rule out being surprised, though. It has happened often enough before.
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link
there are multiple definitions of simulation, but that one is not the one that people have in mind when they say ‘we are living in a simulation’. all it means is “fake data generated in a computer.” no similarity to any existing part of reality is necessary. an artist or mathematician could simulate completely abstract systems with no representation in mind. for example it’s obvious that we could simulate the game The Sims with a crazy species of aliens from our imagination instead of humans. in analogy, our experiences might be simulated by some other super smart species who have better computers than us. they don’t even have to have imagined us too vividly, they just need a good model and then they feed it some initial conditions and let it rip. it happens that most existing simulations do have a real counterpart, but thats just historical circumstance. engineers simulate air planes flying because it’s cheaper and safer than testing real planes and crashing a bunch of them in the process
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link
I have no idea
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:26 (three years ago) link
i agree it’s an unfortunate development in the etymology of the word though
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:26 (three years ago) link
I thought the timing of the Good Place being right at a point when a number of things were obviously going in completely the wrong direction was oddly fitting.
Might just be an indication that life was following a similar pattern.
That was an interesting take on a simulation of a different set up.I thought the usual take was about brains in vats which normally tied in with a famous thought experiment we studied in Philosophy but I'm going blank on who the philosopher writing it was.Like would you know if things were real or if you were being fed false information passing itself off as a form of reality. So if everything was false and you still did stupid things like stubbing your toes and knocking fragile objects flying and forgetting things how would you tell? & if you were a Buddhist and everything is false anyway would you mind.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 02:25 (three years ago) link
i feel that if this were a simulation then that guy that plays maverick in those movies, you know about whom i'm talking, given that his unnamed and therefore unactionable affiliated religious organization's super-duper powers center is trying way hard to prove a point, that guy would have developed the ability to fly like neo and bend the artificial construct that we think of as time and space, and he'd already be telling us all about it. that ain't happened. also i believe keanu reeves of all of us would actually innately have this predisposition to superpowers if such actually existed, but keanu being keanu, he'd think it immodest to show off thusly and so we'll never know. keanu can probably fly irl, but he's just as happy taking a bus, because someone on that bus might need his help like in that one movie where he takes that bus.
idk where i'm going with this but it's more that likely about how we're blessed to live in the era of keanu than about simulation theory.
― slugbuggy, Saturday, 11 May 2024 11:41 (two weeks ago) link
cyberpunk2077 players are blessed and cursed to live in both
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 11 May 2024 13:31 (two weeks ago) link
who the fuck runs the simulation then?
― Ste, Saturday, 11 May 2024 17:32 (two weeks ago) link
What is their purpose of existence?
It's run by turtles. Who learned to program. Their purpose is to move fast (fast for turtles, that is) and break things.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 May 2024 17:50 (two weeks ago) link
why they making me work this shit job, fucking turtle shit heads
― Ste, Saturday, 11 May 2024 17:52 (two weeks ago) link
Did you miss the "break things" part?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 May 2024 17:56 (two weeks ago) link
oh yeah, sorry
― Ste, Saturday, 11 May 2024 18:53 (two weeks ago) link
It's run by turtles. Who learned to program. Their purpose is to move fast (fast for turtles, that is) and break things.― more difficult than I look (Aimless)
― more difficult than I look (Aimless)
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i feel that if this were a simulation then that guy that plays maverick in those movies, you know about whom i'm talking, given that his unnamed and therefore unactionable affiliated religious organization's super-duper powers center is trying way hard to prove a point, that guy would have developed the ability to fly like neo and bend the artificial construct that we think of as time and space, and he'd already be telling us all about it. that ain't happened. also i believe keanu reeves of all of us would actually innately have this predisposition to superpowers if such actually existed, but keanu being keanu, he'd think it immodest to show off thusly and so we'll never know. keanu can probably fly irl, but he's just as happy taking a bus, because someone on that bus might need his help like in that one movie where he takes that bus.idk where i'm going with this but it's more that likely about how we're blessed to live in the era of keanu than about simulation theory.― slugbuggy
― slugbuggy
i have good news slugbuggy there is a way to develop the ability to fly like neo
it's called estrogen
(if people are going to call me a social contagion i'm going to fucking _earn_ the title)
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 May 2024 19:02 (two weeks ago) link