By Hera! Come anticipate WONDER WOMAN 1984 with me!

Holy shit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ysPO7cWRng

"lol sure it was terrible but YOU ALL WATCHED IT so now you get WWIII"

i liked WW84 *runs* sorry ilx hivemind

B and the kids were watching this at home (bcs they went to see it at the cinema earlier in the day and got kicked out due to a fire alarm 30 mins in).

I think I walked past the Tv twice... once Pedro had a blood nose and was yelling something about particles can touch people.. and then at the end, where everyone in our living room looked angry at the TV while a bunch of stuff was going in reverse.

I dont think it got a thumbs up in our house.

I wish--hey, where's that draft coming from?--I had been able to see this at a packed screening at the Uptown. It certainly looks impressive; Georgetown doesn't look nearly so good these days. But such devotion to recreation of a past that only DC-area residents of a certain age will recognize frankly distracts from the lesson of the plot.

I kinda didn't mind the $250 million dollar b movie vibe, fucking ridiculous flick

pedro pascal was chewing up scenery like crazy, almost loony nic cage energy

i enjoyed the architechture

ums totally otm about Nic Cage energy

He's like Nic Cage crossed with Robert Vaughan in Superman 3.

So wait. Imagine that 5% of men wished everyone else's weiner is smaller. How can that 5% all have bigger weiners than the other dickwishers when they all wished for each other to have smaller ones?

FILM DISPROVEN.

would have been amazing if ww's plant to defeat pedro was to let him beam his wishcast with all the particles, leading to this inevitable contradictory mass dickwish, thus destroying the pedro/stone just like kirk fracks an evil AI by telling it a paradox

is there seriously a part in this movie where there's a wishing stone?

yes and then Pedro becomes the stone

oops I meant to type /h....haha

well i guess i'm watching this now

I spent a ton of time telling my friend how terrible it is and then telling him to watch it. Except it's 2.5 hours long, which is a draaaaaaaag.

One of the worst things about EVERYTHING IS STREAMING is the near total devaluation of editing in favor of weak content that provides more eyeballs for longer, ie “the netflix effect.”

Or the “podcast effect.” Or “i wanna be sedated” or whatever.

Eh, lack of good editing and overlong runtimes is a superhero movie (or just Hollywood movie) problem, imo, not a streaming movie problem, imo. Wonder Woman 2 was going to be shitty and boring as anything other than a 22 minute cartoon episode.

I do think the Netflix effect (or whatever we should call it) has hurt lots of documentaries, where the story is stretched out over several episodes just because they have the footage or interviews and time and space to show them, even if they fail to advance the story/narrative.

lack of good editing and overlong runtimes is a superhero movie problem, imo, not a streaming movie problem

and yes, I saw at least 15 bad 90 minute documentaries last year that could have been excellent 30 minute pieces but you don't get funding/distribution that way

DC hardly has a monopoly on overlong superhero headache movies

endgame is the only marvel movie i can think of that really outstayed its welcome for me

sony's marvel stuff on the other hand...

I saw at least 15 bad 90 minute documentaries last year that could have been excellent 30 minute pieces but you don't get funding/distribution that way

Netflix doesn’t shy away from doc shorts (but maybe you’re talking about a different streamer)?

every comic book movie without exception should be 30 minutes shorter than it is

The one that broke me was the Wild, Wild West cult doc (Netflix?), which kept hinting at big revelations that never arrived, and to such an extent that I think we both gave up on it. I thought the Golden State Killer one (HBO) was also too many episodes. It's a combination of wanting to honor the subject but also being unwilling to leave out enticing or salacious or just valuable (from a marketing standpoint) footage or interviews. I didn't watch The Vow (HBO), but my wife asked about it and I told her it was nine hours long and people thought that was both kind of overkill and at the same time almost cynically incomplete. What kind of documentary about a single subject excitedly announces a second season? At a certain point it's no longer a documentary but just a particularly stilted reality show.

The comics movies I generally don't have a problem being too long, even the long ones, because it feels like reading several volumes of a massive crossover comics event. The bad ones (like this one) would have been bad at any length.

Comic book movies can stay the length they are but there should be bathroom breaks at the top of each hour

We watched the HBO docuseries on the McDonalds Monopoly game scam, and that did feel somewhat too long / unfocused.

The (ESPN/Netflix) Michael Jordan series, on the other hand, was well paced etc.

many of the overlong or unnecessarily ruminating or simply poorly structured docs I'm thinking of weren't necessarily made by or for netflix but they are competing for the same airtime and funding so tend to play by the same rules. The reigning formula is taking a small 45 minute story with a simple and interesting hook and padding it out to 90+ minutes with hagiography, wandering vision, gauzy high concept "human interest" elements, unnecessary historical recreation and/or lousy editing... all in the name of hitting a run time that justifies a full-length sale.

From my last year watchlist alone, I'm thinking of Fantastic Fungi, Slay the Dragon, Spaceship Earth, Ringside, Booksellers, Seahorse, Danny Trejo's biodoc, All In, Class Action Park, Tiny Tim's biodoc, The Donut King, Last Breath, The Woman Who Loves Giraffes, It Started as a Joke, Circus of Books, Feels Good Man, Disappearance of my Mother, My Octopus Teacher, The Pollinator, The Last Blockbuster, etc

Errol Morris' Wormwood doc for netflix was the first time i really put 2 & 2 together about modern doc-inflation. I think it was 5 hours? I was so excited for it and so disappointed by it, just insanely padded, with nothing at the end to justify the length. Later I heard an interview with him where he was asked why did he decide this story needed to be 5 hours and he blurted out "that's how much time Netflix gave me to fill", he quickly walked it back but still

cf to Wiseman who regularly produces lean, entrancing four hour documentaries. it can be done! but length is prioritized over quality in this marketplace.

on the other hand, one of the most remarkable and memorable docs i've seen in the past five years is the 15 minute Dolphin Love, which almost certainly will be blown into an unwatchable 5 hour series when and if Netflix opts in.

NB: this is readily available on YouTube and is very much worth watching imo but it's about a guy who falls in love with a dolphin and has sex with it so know that it's deeply problematic before you click.

#OneThread

Ok but again, Netflix does acquire special-interest documentary shorts (dolphin sex may be a little too “special-interest,” lol)

kinda feel like the strategy with their plan regarding acquisition of shorts is to then groom the creators for long form stuff, basically grist for the recommendation engine. i dunno, i'm sure there's lots of creative people at netflix who really love film but the bottom line is absolutely unit shifting

I could have sworn Netflix already has a man falls in love with a dolphin doc, but then I realized I was thinking of the man falls in love with an octopus doc.

every comic book movie without exception should be 30 minutes shorter than it is

rewatched Ghost World two days ago, maybe it could stand a trim or two but the post-credits scene is killer

KInd of enjoyed it, watched it this afternoon.
Was there a reason they picked 1984.
I thought WWII was a big era for the character so are there any plans to go backwards again or are they just going to get closer to current day.

I see some factions have started to insinuate people who don't like the movie are sexist.

I didn't particularly think the movie portrayed WW very positively though. She's obsessed over the same man from 30 years ago to the point where she's ok putting the world at risk by dating a version of him who has taken over the autonomy of someone else's body?

Doesn't seem like WW to me

every comic book movie without exception should be 30 minutes shorter than it is

rewatched Ghost World two days ago, maybe it could stand a trim or two but the post-credits scene is killer

― shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:23 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

At the theater I was at, the whole crowd went nuts when Harvey Pekar showed up at the end of the post credits sequence

She's obsessed over the same man from 30 years ago

66 years ago!


(there really is a post-credits fight sequence in Ghost World btw)

oh wow I never knew that

So what are we supposed to understand that his kid lost when he wished for dad's greatness?

And for that matter, where was the kid's other parent? It seemed like the kid just .... repeatedly made his way alone to Lord's office?

I believe the Fresh Prince of Bel Air theme addresses that

This movie is just such a random jumble of mess. It's hard to take it apart since it's barely held together in the first place. It's like talking about a pile of bricks.

Do we really need to see the kid's mom to understand that she dropped him off at the office when it was Lord's parenting time?

And... the kid lost his father when he wished for his father's greatness. Rather obviously, I thought.

We don't need to see the kid at all. Or Chris Pine. Or Kristin Wiig. Cut them all out, changes nothing but, perhaps, the stupid resolution.

xp but that had clearly already happened! although i guess as i think it through, i can see it -- of course his father was metaphorically/emotionally absent already, but if his father's actual being was replaced by the spirit inhabiting the stone, then Max-Lord-the-person was REALLY gone, not just emotionally checked out.

I do think the conceit is not thought through -- like, the question of who GETS the thing that is lost, and how, is very underspecified.