am i missing out on the regular anarcho-communists they have on these things?
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
the two sides usually seem to be "maybe the state should protect people a bit from the worst excesses of bigotry and/or poverty, if it's not really affecting me" versus "kill all out groups, let god sort them out"
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
i do think ash sarkar would be an example of someone who is available elsewhere (but probably at a different tier) - whatever Matthew Wright is now, for instance (is he still going? god that program was garbage apart from Candice calling the covid approach correctly in the face of a med health expert). Maybe Owen Jones is the Toby Young equivalent?
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link
They should just take the easy path and employ Toby Jones full time to just churn out random controversy.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
(and for what it's worth i think owen jones is fine, but i bet he really fucking boils some people's piss so they go what HIM. AGAIN.)
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
Predictable start for Woman's Hour under Emma Barnett, the desperate attention seeking non-entity Shriver filling the air with racism and bigotry, another guest Kelechi, making anti-Semitic comments relating to Weinstein and Me Too. so fucking predictable.
― calzino, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 5:31 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this didn't happen afaik. kelechi didn't appear on air because she heard barnett bringing up her past anti- semitic comments and making it clear she would challenge her on them.
― oscar bravo, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:06 (three years ago) link
Matthew Wright is now Jeremy Vine. Yes, I think being reliably controversial is what it's all about, which partly explains the love for Spiked among programme makers on both Sky and the BBC - Joanna Williams is very much flavour of the month these days.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
xp
ah thanks for clearing up my garbled take, I was reading it from other responses.
I know this is the wrong line of attack, but I still think someone whose wealthy upbringing was funded by exploitation of sex-workers and sex-trafficking shouldn't be let anywhere near Woman's Hour.
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
Barnett does have strong feelings about AS though. I recall her on 5 live telling a caller that even if a potential Corbyn govt would improve their life, it would be an evil and selfish trade-off with the threat to UK Jews he presented.
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:28 (three years ago) link
What is Ash Sarkar's tier?
She is more intelligent and incisive than anyone who has been on Woman's Hour in the last 5 years.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
maybe but that's a low bar
without making any excuses it's pretty clear that antisemitism is only a story when it's coming from people who are black and/or muslim and/or left wing. this is being used quite successfully as a (white) nationalist wedge issue
― Left, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link
Emma Barnett is Jewish but IIRC she wasn’t a fan before Corbyn got swift boated as antisemitic by all the toxic centrists.
Would be happy with people bringing up her pimp dad and her acceptance of same on the many occasions Me Too and sex work get discussed on WH.
― scampopo (suzy), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link
What is Ash Sarkar's tier?She is more intelligent and incisive than anyone who has been on Woman's Hour in the last 5 years.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link
in case Americans are interested in how the BBC's political editor is covering the attempted coup attempt in the Capitol https://t.co/d6v8n1tv8v— Owen Jones 🌹 (@OwenJones84) January 6, 2021
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
The woman’s hour thing was terrible, but the original comments by Kelechi were too. fuck giving Lionel Shriver an easy ride is my conclusion tbhLaura K continues to get worse, wow
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:32 (three years ago) link
I'd like to think she's shitted up her rep this time, but I think she'll continue drawing a huge salary from the bbc and posting in the style we've become accustomed to. But trying to play down an attempted armed fascist coup is a new low even by her standards of disingenuous faux insider *reportage* on politics.
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link
"scuffles in the capitol" is pretty lol
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
A right old stooshie and a rammy in the captiol, aye.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
A bunch of blooming unruly young rascals in the capitol . Heavens above! How smashing!
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
Hancock spad bumps into a man and it's "things turned nasty when Labour activists punched Hancock" tho. Fucking "scuffle"
― stet, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:33 (three years ago) link
I think we should all reserve our judgement on this until we find out if they've harmed any statues.— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) January 6, 2021
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:47 (three years ago) link
For Tom D
https://i.imgur.com/7bZfhry.jpg
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
Aye, it's a sair fecht.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
i've been checking p frequently to see how long it takes for the school meals story to reach the bbc news front page. turns out 24 hours later, an apology and rebuttal from chartwells gets there first.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
ffs if they can't afford license fees they shouldn't get 54 " televisions from brighthouse at 99.99% APR
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
It was third story (after vaccines and deaths passing WWII) from after lunchtime - led in on Rashford
― stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
(I was checking too, because fuck these fucks)
― stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
disingenuous faux insider *reportage* on politics.
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:48 (one week ago)
Very well described.
― Ole Blueyes Solskjaer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 01:06 (three years ago) link
kelechi didn't appear on air because she heard barnett bringing up her past anti- semitic comments and making it clear she would challenge her on them.
isn't the official story that Barnett heard about these comments moments before the show start?
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 11:50 (three years ago) link
Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that plenty of BBC shows' 2020 seasons are nominated in the 2020 ILX TV poll:
ILX's Best Television of 2020 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends After January 29, 2021
If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (3 minimum, 25 maximum, ranked by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail. It'll take five minutes; get to it!
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
please add "The BBC" to the top of my ballot
― shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
you haven't submitted one!
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
itt: forks forgets my irl name
― shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link
oh right. well if you showed up in person in nyc more than once a decade...
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000sbdx
decent first episode on series about British Fascism. It's quite noteworthy that the BBC "de-platformed" Mosley in the 30's, none of this dubious political balance bollox, yah banned m8!
― calzino, Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:26 (three years ago) link
Kind of like what happened to Gerry Adams under libertarian and free speech heroine Mrs. Thatcher?
― I'm Going to Bring a Watermelon to Mark Grout Tonight (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:29 (three years ago) link
Iirc Gerry was allowed to speak as long as he inhaled helium first
― The Scampo Fell to Earth (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:32 (three years ago) link
lol beat me to it, it sure subtracted credibility from his Republican/Irish independence politics when he sounded like a speeded up Kieth!
― calzino, Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:35 (three years ago) link
the BBC "de-platformed" Mosley in the 30's, none of this dubious political balance bollox
mosley and his supporters (and some ostensible opponents) were already using these very familiar lines about free speech and censorship back then- so what has changed, so that their contemporary conterparts saying the same things now are taken much more seriously (by the BBC and in general)?
― Left, Saturday, 20 February 2021 13:42 (three years ago) link
I suppose there was actually a left wing back then, which accounts for some of it
but you'd think people would be better and not worse at recognising what these things mean in this context- that's if their apparent ignorance is genuine and not just part of the game for them
― Left, Saturday, 20 February 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link
Makes me want to do something violent and criminal to the BBC
― The Scampo Fell to Earth (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 February 2021 13:57 (three years ago) link
An episode of The Hour was about platforming a fash or not in the late ‘50s - interesting that it became a free speech issue to allow them on when black people were the minority they were griping about...
― scampopo (suzy), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
perhaps domestic fascism sat a bit awkward with the propaganda global-empire Britain would need to deploy against the growing power of Nazi Germany. But on the program it is noted that lots of proto-fash writing on Eugenics and Racial Theory started off in Britain.
― calzino, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
Churchill's main reason for not making peace with Hitler was to preserve the empire tbf
― The Scampo Fell to Earth (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link
i have always felt if it weren’t for geopolitics/balance of power stuff that no one would have given one fuck about the death camps. ofc as tooze and edgerton have shown the economics of lebensraum and the death camps are inextricable but even so feel it’s useful to separate the drivers of war from the post war moral horror. moral is not perjorative there i hope it should be needless to say, it was horrifying and people were rightly horrified. but that moral quality was absent in the drivers to war and did not make it in anyone’s minds a “morally good” war afaict.
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link
one fuck about death camps and perhaps more pertinently to avoid that post hoc lens, the rounding up of the jews and segregation and window shattering of jewish communities.
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
Yep, easy to envision an alternative where the UK made peace and the outcome was a world where fascism became normaliz oh never mind
― The Scampo Fell to Earth (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
Fizzles: would you make the same case about the US civil war?
― the pinefox, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:44 (three years ago) link
i don’t know enough about it to answer i’m afraid pinefox. real blind spot for me that i intend to rectify this year. what’s your view? (and do you agree about the WW2view?)
― Lord of the RONGS (Fizzles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
Churchill was ringing the numbers in red pencil of Jews getting "special treatment" from intercepted wires de-scrambled by Enigma from the camps and these were stadium sized big numbers, but it had no discernible influence on war strategy. If anything Churchill would have been more concerned in not saying a damn thing about it to prevent Hitler from having the domestic propaganda victory of portraying the British as fighting a war against them on behalf of the Jews.
― calzino, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link