https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/post-covid-lungs-worse-than-the-worst-smokers-lungs-surgeon-says/
A Texas trauma surgeon says it's rare that X-rays from any of her COVID-19 patients come back without dense scarring. Dr. Brittany Bankhead-Kendall tweeted that, "Post-COVID lungs look worse than any type of terrible smoker's lung we've ever seen. And they collapse. And they clot off. And the shortness of breath lingers on... & on... & on."
― brownie, Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
We are so completely and utterly fucked.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link
Err, really? Seems a bit alarmist to me. I mean, I'm sure it happens plenty, but maybe not quite to that extent?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
I assume she's talking about patients who are really sick, not just Joe or Jane Mild Symptoms.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
Sorry, my comment was in response to Moodles' link about how transmissible the new strain is and how the masks that 90% of the people I see wearing are essentially ineffective.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:35 (three years ago) link
Josh that's really insensitive and frankly ignorant. My cousin, Ray Mild Symptoms, was in the ICU for a month
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link
No idea you had Greek relatives, TH.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
this is probably not the place for me to express contempt toward the way vox articles are written, yet
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
Inappropriately-placed contempt is an Ilx tradition tho
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
"Essentially ineffective" is perhaps an overstatement, but it certainly makes sense to encourage people to embrace more effective models
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
xpost I'm sorry to hear that, Tracer, and I didn't mean to be insensitive. But (again, not trying to be insensitive, honest question!) why would mild symptoms send someone to the ICU? Isn't the ICU for serious stuff, by definition?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
am seeing more and more suggestions that this E484/Brazil variant is reinfecting people who had OG Covid, based at least on the level of reinfection in Manaus (which was thought to have reached herd immunity after its first severe outbreak)
Considering the prevalence in Manaus after the first wave, this progression looks almost as if a completely different virus had hit the area. We may really be underestimating the ability of this virus to escape the pre-acquired immune response. https://t.co/54GWeupvvm— Giorgio Gilestro (@giorgiogilestro) January 14, 2021
― stet, Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link
That Vox article also seems a bit over the top, although it's clear that you should never linger at the grocery store.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:44 (three years ago) link
josh...
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/coronavirus-masks-transmission.html
a little more helpful of an article which I believe the Vox one links to
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
It's okay k3vin. Ray has had to handle this kind of stereotype his whole life. Assuming he wanted 'Kool Milds' when actually he was a straight Kools guy. etc.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
I feel like the Manaus "herd immunity" claims were a bit more nebulous, especially since we don't know how long protection against reinfection lasts.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/study-estimates-76-percent-of-brazilian-city-exposed-to-sars-cov-2-68272
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link
very possible that this will become endemic though, meaning possible yearly outbreaks of a lesser severity
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
I'm so glad I can be comforted by the fact that we have strong leadership with a robust plan for rolling out the vaccine. No, wait, we are fucked.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
well let's see how we do with an administration that doesn't consider it a hoax
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
We had one of those and iirc fuck-all happened
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:14 (three years ago) link
i seem to remember several hundred thousand people dying
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link
oh I got confused I thought we were talking about climate change for some reason
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
Interesting thread on the UK variant, the dust is beginning to settle and basically I'm getting a sense that we didn't lock down early enough for long enough, that we didn't look at schools and so the variant has been made more of than it perhaps should've.
#COVID19 hospital admissions in London seem like they're continuing to fallI was skeptical about the new variant story early on, here's a short thread in chronological order of things I wrote about ithttps://t.co/5OTD0vO2DF— Joshua Loftus (@joftius) January 14, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:20 (three years ago) link
The crowded tubes and the huge amounts of people mixing indoors aren’t getting the blame they should (from government).
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
From a WGN article about Chicago's vaccine plans:
The city says the biggest problem its facing is not receiving enough vaccines.“When I think about 600,000 people to vaccinate in that next phase, getting 36, 32, 35,000 doses a week isn’t going to be enough to move ahead quickly,” Dr. Allison Arwardy said.
“When I think about 600,000 people to vaccinate in that next phase, getting 36, 32, 35,000 doses a week isn’t going to be enough to move ahead quickly,” Dr. Allison Arwardy said.
This doesn't make me feel great. The "next phase" they are referring to is the 65+ older/essential workers phase (1B). So assuming 35,000 doses per week, it's going to take more than 17 weeks to get through that phase (assuming we ignore the second dose, for the moment). Considering this phase hasn't even started yet, we are looking at June before we even start to get to Phase 1C, which is other essential workers and high-risk folks under 65. We're in for a long, long, long ride.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link
Wow that sucks. Texas has already given 1M shots!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link
League tables for this here - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:49 (three years ago) link
congrats to california and the deep south
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link
Georgia is really going to have to step it up to avoid relegation.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link
Two million deaths worldwide now according to Worldometers:https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
(although they seem to skew both higher and lower than various other tallies I've seen)
― a degree in bullshit from glasters uni (Matt #2), Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link
Re double-masking: I started doing it about 10 days ago. Don't notice any difference at all in comfort-level; I wear glasses, so still a nuisance, but I do feel safer.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 January 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link
(Prompted by the newer strain.)
https://www.theonion.com/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-1819584036
― new variant (onimo), Friday, 15 January 2021 09:14 (three years ago) link
🇫🇷🦠 #France will impose a nationwide 6pm #curfew for at least 15 days starting on Saturday to stem the spread of coronavirus, PM #Castex said.A #Covid19 #vaccine will also be offered to those at high risk from Monday regardless of age.France 24's @cfbennett2 reports ⤵️ pic.twitter.com/qCaYcsnfhz— FRANCE 24 English (@France24_en) January 15, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 January 2021 10:13 (three years ago) link
onimo I thought of that immediately as well LOL
― k3vin k., Friday, 15 January 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
God I don't think we will ever reckon with the mental health destruction this has wrought.
I struggled off and on, a ton, throughout 2020, but I'm flabbergasted by how much worse I feel now. Complete despair and hopelessness.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link
Sorry to hear that, jon. Don't ask me for a citation, but my general sense is that things are bound to get better from here on out.
― pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link
Saw some hope that the current USA post-holiday spike has "perhaps" reached its apex.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
I'm just struggling to find any good news. At least one new strain that is considerably more transmissible, exactly when we are opening schools back up around here. A complete failure of a vaccine roll-out which, at the current rate, will take more than 5 years to hit ~80% of the 16 and up population in my state.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
It's not going to stay at the current rate
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
FWIW, we're about to have a new presidential administration that actually takes this shit seriously.
― Looks like I'm gonna be the filling in a missile sandwich! (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:46 (three years ago) link
last two posts otm
― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:47 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I get the despair, we are currently at our lowest point and it's horrible, but there's some very obvious reasons to assume that this will turn around over the next few months.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:47 (three years ago) link
Hey, I hope so, but I'll believe it when I see it.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
Is there a strong reason to doubt it? Vaccinations just started in the last month. It's been a mess but it's actually happening despite an utter void of leadership. Biden is coming in with an actual plan to manage vaccinations effectively and the manufacturers are ramping up production. It won't happen nearly as fast as we'd like, but this stuff is actually happening.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link
This could be a critical time, with some reasons to be hopeful
- at least some new restrictions potentially having teeth- holidays over- vaccinations proceeding (albeit slowly)- in a lot of places it's still too cold to go do outdoor gathering / concert-type stuff
― alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
Well, I mean *gesturing wildly around at the last ten months*, yeah, there is a lot of reasons to doubt it. I mean, obviously having an administration that believes in science and cares about this stuff is very important and will make a tremendous difference. But it's not like waving a magic wand and the hour Biden is inaugurated, things will improve. It is more likely to take months to start by untangling the mess Trump made of everything before we can even start more efficient distribution.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
Yes, that's why I said it won't happen as fast as we'd like, but there's a clear change in conditions that will improve things.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link
My work has sent round an email asking if anyone wants to be a volunteer at the medical research facility that's next door to us and is being used as a vaccination centre. The USP being that you'll be vaccinated youself if you volunteer - Pfizer (you'll also be vaccinated against Hepatitis B too). No-one I'm in contact with seems very enthusiastic.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link