Mostly I'm impressed with how well they are pastiching the source material
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
comfortable setting for Wanda to experience the sort of life she would want to have
Though if you think about it, why would the ideal imagined by an Eastern European millennial raised at least partly in captivity be a series of classic American sitcom tropes?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link
Yeah I don’t buy that; there’s a clear feminist undertone cutting through the story that suggests Vizh as well meaning but lost and Wanda as somewhere between subjugated brainwashed and self-deluding.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 January 2021 15:17 (three years ago) link
They show American sitcoms on European TV too, I used to watch reruns of I Love Lucy and The Munsters when I was a kid. Maybe they were exactly the sort of escapist entertainment she loved in wartime Sokovia?
― Tuomas, Monday, 25 January 2021 15:17 (three years ago) link
So assuming this is the overall rolling thread -- Thor: Love and Thunder is under way
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKf4dEGJDNG/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
And that's a pretty good message there from the Odinsson
Episode 4 of WandaVision continues to successfully hold my interest in this show and answers a lot of “what is going on” questions.
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
looking forward to watching it tonight
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
This was a bonus to taking a sick day
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
Excited to watch it tonight, for sure.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 January 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
Fun episode
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 30 January 2021 00:44 (three years ago) link
Very good. Answers some stuff, raises a couple of big questions.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 January 2021 02:15 (three years ago) link
Yeah we’re into it!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 30 January 2021 03:36 (three years ago) link
I wouldnt have got a few bits of what was going on if my partner hadnt explained some stuff from Avengers which I havent seen. Enjoyed it!
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 30 January 2021 06:32 (three years ago) link
Definitely keeping it going — and smart not to have it be a ‘spilt’ episode between the style of the last three and the outside world, key bits at the end aside. Also a great way to loop in a lot of second level MCU characters!Also, best film use of a certain song since _Withnail and I_
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 06:48 (three years ago) link
yeah great ep all roundi love kat dennings & praise her showing up in this like a cool best friend you havent seen in years
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 January 2021 07:27 (three years ago) link
I wouldnt have got a few bits of what was going on if my partner hadnt explained some stuff from Avengers which I havent seen
I was very annoyed that there wasn't any 1980s sitcom stuff at all, and had to spend half the ep wiki-ing things
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 30 January 2021 07:44 (three years ago) link
yeah i'm interested in resolutely straight faced sitcom pastiche with eerie elements, Agents of SWORD is boringalso whats up with "RAM-bo" vs "ram-BEAU"
― adam, Saturday, 30 January 2021 12:49 (three years ago) link
I assumed it would transition more into continuity nerd stuff as it went along, but assumed we’d at least cover the 20th century before an all-real-world episode
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 30 January 2021 13:26 (three years ago) link
― Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link
I, too, was a little distracted to constantly hear her name pronounced Rambo. But whatevs.
Apparently there are leaks of the next or future episodes out there? Just because someone has to ruin the fun. Anyway, careful out there on the internet, it is full of information!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 January 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
Remind me - did we actually get to see anyone snapped back into existence in Endgame? Feel like they just showed up for the big battle scene and this is the first time I can think that we see it happen.
― Nhex, Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:51 (three years ago) link
Yeah, Dr. Strange teleported the resurrect-ees onto an empty battlefield just after they were resurrected so we never witnessed their actual reintegration.
― Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link
the second holland spider man dealt a bit with the implications of people phasing back into existence
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link
I just watched the first four… you guys are going great guns on this shit! I'll only add that, as a amateur scholar of John Byrne (I have been on and off obsessed with the cultish control he has on his drones via John Byrne Forum) that it is clear to me that he retconned the provenance of Thomas and William —that they were always fragments of also ran villain Master Pandemonium and never actual children— not, as he claimed, because Vision is a android and should not be able to reproduce, but because he disliked Steve Engelhart, the writer of the Vision and Scarlet Witch maxi-series wherein the twins were introduced. There can be little doubt that many if not all of the retcons that he initiated during his peak years as the dominant creator in superhero comics were motivated by his personal animus towards other creators.
signed, former neighbor of forks who ain't been in the neighborhood in a year, misses Kensington/Ditmas Park and wonder what it has been like, and enjoyed the company of Forks very much
― veronica moser, Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
maybe the "Rambo" pronunciation was the one nod to the 1980s
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
Gonna tell my grandkids this is Mulder and Scully pic.twitter.com/XPcCDeD8E1— Ziggy (@mrjafri) January 30, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
OTM total X-Files vibe (which I assume was 100% studied and intentional)
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link
?
https://i.imgur.com/t83cUQN.jpg
― shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:37 (three years ago) link
yeah i'm interested in resolutely straight faced sitcom pastiche with eerie elements, Agents of SWORD is boring
This is exactly how I expected to feel and I've been braced for disappointment when this show got more "normal" but to my great surprise I liked this ep a lot! I have just plain started to feel there's a trustworthy hand on the tiller here.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:44 (three years ago) link
ditto. seemed like too drastic of a change (i love the first 3 eps) but i appreciate the fact they didn’t drag the “who’s doing it to you wanda!?” aspect out for the rest of the season, because now there can be more interaction between the sitcom stuff and the outside world (as evidenced by the ep5 preview).
it’d be interesting if it became two way and wanda started influencing the world just outside of the bubble in the same manner making it even more x-files etc like.
― scanner darkly, Saturday, 30 January 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
There are a hundred different intriguing ways it could go short of contradicting the rest of the MCU.I saw a comment somewhere that asked basically, they know Wanda is there, they know who Vision is, why didn't they contact the Avengers? But after Endgame there kind of aren't any terrestrial Avengers. Iron Man is dead, Black widow is dead, Captain America is gone, Hawkeye one presumes is spending time at the farm, Falcon and Winter soldier are off shooting their show, etc. I guess they could ... call Hulk?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 January 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
Doesnt this pretty clearly take place between endgame and the big parts of endgame 2? They show the blip and MR going to work for shield and her first assignment being the wandavision world
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 30 January 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
AFAIC it's after Endgame, before Spider-Man: Far From Home
― Nhex, Saturday, 30 January 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link
Yeah it's not the Blip itself being shown at the start, it's the reverse of it! Basically that first scene is happening right at the same time Thanos launches his attack on the Avengers HQ leading directly into the final battle. Then the rest of it is some time later.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 January 2021 02:24 (three years ago) link
liked this a lot! The fourth episode was the right moment for a change of pace - as enjoyable as the sitcom+eerie bits format was, it was getting a little stale for me.
v happy to see they brought Kat Dennings (I've only seen the second Thor once but the part where she goes "meow meow!" is burned into my brain) and Randall Park back for this too.
The one Avenger they should be calling is Dr. Strange, but I have a feeling whatever happens on this show will have something to do with his movie anyway.
― Roz, Sunday, 31 January 2021 02:31 (three years ago) link
Yeah, won't be surprised if he appears at the end of this show, especially if they formally tie Wanda's powers to MCU Magic.
Another bit - besides Debra Jo Rupp, love that they likely cast Dennings and Park as major characters in this because they both lead sitcoms.
― Nhex, Sunday, 31 January 2021 04:27 (three years ago) link
As mentioned upthread, Wanda will be in the next Dr. Strange movie, so a cameo isn't out of the question.
― Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 January 2021 05:06 (three years ago) link
Yeah, this is a good direction for the show to go in now. No real surprises for anyone who has been reading the comics and watching the movies for decades but super well executed.
I only wish they could've found a way to weave the narratives more evenly and not do three episodes of sitcoms and then one X-Files... but I can cope. Getting real Arrival vibes from the base camp sequences!
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 31 January 2021 07:16 (three years ago) link
I was just reminded that this is officially a limited series, and for that reason perhaps maybe designed *not* to answer questions and more made to *introduce* questions that might be answered in "Dr. Strange 2" and maybe the next "Spider-Man." I actually don't mind the idea of them using the TV shows this way, it sort of reminds me of the way limited series' work in comics, not so much stand-alone and more a narrative bridge to introduce new ideas/themes/costumes. Certainly it would help Disney control its broader (er) vision, in that they won't have to worry about the shows stepping on story toes. In fact, limited series like this might solve some movie problems in the process but negating some need for huge exposition drops. Like, the way they introduced Spider-man in Civil War, for example. Just skipped the origin story entirely and simply introduced him in another movie.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
it sort of reminds me of the way limited series' work in comics, not so much stand-alone and more a narrative bridge to introduce new ideas/themes/costumes.
perhaps 0.00000000184% of limited series in comics history have been designed for this purpose
― shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
That's fine, I'm not a comics dude. But it's what I remember from when I was a kid.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 01:00 (three years ago) link
limited series' raison d'etre is to tell a standalone story; the narrative shifting etc is done to make them matter
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
this is literally the first MCU thing i've ever seen, and i'm enjoying it
really hoping that the resolution doesn't require knowledge of two decades of movies/series/comics. and that kat dennings' character becomes bearable
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 04:15 (three years ago) link
Just seconds before we pushed play on episode 4 Friday night, my wife turns to us and says, “you guys might need to carry on with this without me, might be the first Marvel thing that makes me tap out, I’m not feeling it”.
As soon as the credits kicked in she goes, “well, dammit, I’m all in now”.
I’m guessing at least 30% of that comes from her fondness for Kat Dennings, but I think she enjoyed the loose ends being tied up.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 04:33 (three years ago) link
Have faith in the Feige!
― Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 04:45 (three years ago) link
There are plenty of valid gripes about the MCU, to be certain, but the long term vision and deftly bringing a full universe to life and intertwining even the more minor characters is fun to watch.
(Overly earned corny fuxxor statement ahead alert)
Watching the loose threads come together and seeing the links reminds me of why I fell in love with comics when I was a kid - beyond the stories of good versus evil and stronger than life heroes, it was the slow piecing together of an entire universe that only revealed itself in bits and pieces that appealed to me. I love that MCU has emphasized this thread and it’s why the DCEU leaves me cold.
Now, if they could just get Quasar into the MCU (second series, after the Avengers, that I subscribed to).
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 04:59 (three years ago) link
“Overly earnest” that should read, damn phone.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 05:00 (three years ago) link
finally started WandaVision. Vision singing "Yakety Yak" had me in hysterics
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:05 (three years ago) link
Something I've wondered about: they've yet to refer to her as Scarlet Witch in the movie or shows, right? So I wonder if a) people unfamiliar with any of the comics have been confused by some of the coverage ("wait, who is Scarlet Witch?") and b) I wonder if this show will culminate in renaming her character.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:18 (three years ago) link