Mark i think that could be read, without necessarily being placed in there
Ive also had a few different paperback versions of varying ages and origin over the years, tho i like the current shiny/weighty tomes
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 13:48 (three years ago) link
I first read these editions which I borrowed off my best friend and kept failing to return (hence getting gifted my own set of books):https://www.tolkienbooks.be/tolkien-book-store/images/CLP0298b.jpg
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 13:50 (three years ago) link
when im back from shopping i will take photos of my dad's now exceedingly ancient (and sadly tatty) hardbacks
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
I rocked the Darrell K Sweet editions here in the US re my first copy:https://external-preview.redd.it/0sMAKjGlZicmiqe9nE4fOFqiyAyoH2fUIU4UA3-OEyY.jpg?auto=webp&s=88578030d93f23440e35ec26f40534a589502c17This has since...changed. Will post a photo later showing how.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:10 (three years ago) link
the relationship of the ring to power isn't that it has it. it is it....the ring is a trap disguised as an escape. the only person for whom it isn't a trap is the person whose desire is a world made-- like the ring-- coterminous with himself. the only effective strategy against him is fusion and renunciation. it's difficult because renouncing the possibility of exerting your will unimpeded can even for a hobbit be like cutting off a part of the self. but if you're not sauron, or final-stage gollum, it's not very much of the self. it is a strange thing that we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing.― difficult listening hour, Saturday, January 30, 2021 1:52 AM (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, January 30, 2021 1:52 AM (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
*white guy blinking.gif*
DLH is on fire and all y'all are GOOD itt.
Is this where I admit I never warmed up to Tolkien? Not my jam. ilxors talking about it is WAY more my jam. :)
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link
I wish I were at home because I also, somewhere along the way, picked up a verrrry 1970s paperback fantasy trilogy clearly modeled on LOTR? Straining to remember the details but I'm about 80% the wizard's horse was ALSO named Shadowfax?
The covers were trippy iirc.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link
I am currently living the samwise dream of stove on, teapot steaming, feet up and about to open the red book of westmarch (ed. tolkien, from notes collected by b. baggins)
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:29 (three years ago) link
Oh never mind, it was this:
https://i.etsystatic.com/9030433/r/il/df6eee/1136028440/il_794xN.1136028440_7qc4.jpg
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/the-completely-bonkers-world-of-niel-hancocks-circle-of-light/
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:44 (three years ago) link
Its no duncton wood tbh
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:47 (three years ago) link
"Hancock was a veteran of the Vietnam war and used his experiences in writing his fantasy books. His world, however, does not seem to have the automatic weapons and helicopters of that war.[citation needed]"
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:54 (three years ago) link
There’s something strangely, weirdly subversive about the original cover artCreated by the author’s wife, the original covers are just… well. Take a gander at the cover for the second volume, Faragorn Fairingay. Look at those tiny bedroom slippers on the floor—for the otter in the bed—and feel reality slipping away from you.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/wp-content/nas-uploads/sites/4/2015/01/faragornfairangay.jpg
lol
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
faragorn 🤔🤔🤔
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 14:57 (three years ago) link
Ned, I remember those versions from either the bookstore (Waldenbooks RIP) or library.
― Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Saturday, 30 January 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/4q0fHzT.jpg
those were my dad's and they are OLD: he was in on the ground floor as a teenager tolkwise and two of them are in fact first edns, plus all three endpaper maps have by a miracle somehow survived
they are also as you can see extremely er pre-loved and thus extremely non-valuable as heirlooms: the pictures in the hobbit have been "coloured in" aka scribbled on by some aunt or uncle as a tot and the three lovely deep crimson covers of LotR (paper jackets long lost) still bear the quickly wiped-up splashmarks of where mark s as a tot (with whooping cough) threw up all over his bedroom oops
(just between us if i ever try and sell them on ABE i will probably say it is spilled water)
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
That's awesome.
― Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
I have the same edition as gyac, but never actually realised that they form a triptych! Partly because the fronts also continue on to the spines and backs:
http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/tolkien-book-store/images/CLP0298.jpg
The appendices detailing the rest of the characters' lives would make a good low-stakes tv series, in an All Creatures Great and Small vein.
I mean, detailing is very much what they don't do - something that slightly complicates the Sam story is that one of the Appendices says that 61 years after he returns home, later in the year that Rosie passes on, Sam goes to Grey Havens and (rumor has it) over the sea. It's all presented as a chronological record, so you can read it that Rosie's love overwhelmed the PTSD, or that this was simply an option always available to him but not her.
(also of course the last chronological event is that Legolas goes to the Havens, builds a ship singlehanded and stripped to the waist and goes on one last gay cruise with Gimli)
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link
I’m already 1/3 of the way through Fellowship (they’re just parting with Bombadil to skirt the Barrow-Downs). I meant to take it slow & actually think about the books as they progressed this time, but I find I can’t help myself hurtling through them — I feel myself fairly dragged along, compelled to page-turn. I have, however, forced myself to actually read all the words mostly, as opposed to my usual habit of skimming long descriptive paragraphs & landing on the next bit of dialogue or action. Can’t stress enough what others observed upthread, that this book about walking is situated in a landscape so thoroughly imagined that it might as well be describing an IRL place.
― Guys don’t @ me because I tazed my own balls alright? (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
Ok easy on the spoilers pls tho?
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
when i called sauron a loser-melt it was just my opinion of his politics not me giving away the final score
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link
Hmmm maybe a thread for those of us that havent read it?
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link
as opposed to my usual habit of skimming long descriptive paragraphs & landing on the next bit of dialogue or action.
And I oop!
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
fwiw my dad (book-owner cited above) was a professional botanist who also often taught practical geology to university students: he had a very high opinion of tolk's observational knowledge of types of landscape and the plants and tress you find in them
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
non-botanists refer to them as trees, a rookie error
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
Hey! Sing derry-dol! Easy on the spoilers!Some haven’t read it yet! Don’t you mention plot points!
― Guys don’t @ me because I tazed my own balls alright? (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:38 (three years ago) link
favorite quality of sam from the books is that say for example, when he selfconsciously says to Faramir in Two Towers “i’m no poet but this is what Galadriel’s like” he proceeds to drop ~the~ purest poetry every doubt he has about his ability (and obv that is mixed in with his perceived lower social status/class), he proves outwardly to possess in spades (no gardening pun intended) in the books he also has a great ongoing capacity for brief moments of wonder, or to enjoy small new experiences despite being far from home and often in danger
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
he is also jrr’s mary-sue for elves a bit tbh
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
rewriting the "down down to goblin town" song except its spoilertown
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
Ho ho, mark s
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link
thats right
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
adding: sam is the xander
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
If you've only read one of those early paperback sets, particularly Ace Books, you've encountered many errors---this 50th Anniversary edition (the "trilogy" in one volume, as intended) has a different cover than the one I read, but the same or similar fast, dense, clear account by xpost Douglas A. Anderson (who describes it as "a single novel, consisting of six books, plus appendices, sometimes published in three volumes," which are incl., along w other materials provided by JRRT) of the garble introduced by "corrections", also typos, and how the author tried to get true corrections (and some revisions!) in for pretty much the last decade of his life (some of them finally made it into posthumous editions), He recommends Christopher Tolkien's History of Middle-Earth (soke of which is also in this edition) for a complete history of the novel itself, allll the stages of writing, incl. much later revisions mentioned above, 'til this 2005 edition, which may or may not be the true book (aside from the one in readers' heads and discourse, of course). You can Look Inside this on its Amazon page and read Anderson's whole intro. Giant paperback, also Kindle and hardback if want something less slippery:https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51eq24cRtRL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
Anderson does indicate that some errors came from trying to decipher author's handwriting in margins of manuscripts, as w Balzac, Proust, dog knows how many others.
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
I owned the very AD&D influenced box set, possibly early 80s if I were to guess... let me img srch
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ja1yfN7.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link
(1981 Ballantine)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link
Yup, the Sweet set; posted that above. Sweet also did all the Wheel of Time covers so he's had an impact!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link
abs <3 mark s heirlooms
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
(joyce was a terrible man for rewriting and just straight out adding material right there on the galleys at the printers)
(luckily in finnegans wake no one can tell you typo)
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
whoops, sorry Ned. your pic post didn't trigger my nostalgia for some reason.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
Yeah Balzac and Proust would fuck with the galleys too, not sure about T., been a while since I read that intro, but Ballentine was where things started to get better, according to Anderson.
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
But when somebody consulted w T about a word etc., he might come up with a whole new set of ch-ch-changes, look out ye rock n rollers! (sry)
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
i bought a set of houghton miflin paperbacks bc they were cheap & on sale & god the cover art is so ugly
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
This thread is brilliant and very much making me want to re-read the trilogy (only read it once, about 20 years ago).
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link
I remember my parents had the pirated Ace Books editions:
https://www.tolkienguide.com/uploads/newbb/1_5b5cc13d2ff58.jpg
― Brad C., Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
The Two Towers: Dark Pegasus
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link
(TBF the Rankin-Bass ROTK made the same mistake.)
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
Anyway, as I promised/threatened: my collection of the books and everything else related to them and/or the films:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50891825966_e2657fb3d2_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50891114613_26c1fab2ec_b.jpg
Though TBF there's also the WETA art books for the Hobbit films in another bookcase plus a shelf with the various Jackson productions and Tolkien's own readings on CD and etc.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
And yes that does mean I own three physical copies of LOTR...plus one on Kindle. You know, just to have around.
Woof
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link
"You can't be too careful!" < / Jackson Bree guard voice, for that extra elan >
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link