when i called sauron a loser-melt it was just my opinion of his politics not me giving away the final score
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link
Hmmm maybe a thread for those of us that havent read it?
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link
as opposed to my usual habit of skimming long descriptive paragraphs & landing on the next bit of dialogue or action.
And I oop!
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
fwiw my dad (book-owner cited above) was a professional botanist who also often taught practical geology to university students: he had a very high opinion of tolk's observational knowledge of types of landscape and the plants and tress you find in them
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
non-botanists refer to them as trees, a rookie error
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
Hey! Sing derry-dol! Easy on the spoilers!Some haven’t read it yet! Don’t you mention plot points!
― Guys don’t @ me because I tazed my own balls alright? (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:38 (three years ago) link
favorite quality of sam from the books is that say for example, when he selfconsciously says to Faramir in Two Towers “i’m no poet but this is what Galadriel’s like” he proceeds to drop ~the~ purest poetry every doubt he has about his ability (and obv that is mixed in with his perceived lower social status/class), he proves outwardly to possess in spades (no gardening pun intended) in the books he also has a great ongoing capacity for brief moments of wonder, or to enjoy small new experiences despite being far from home and often in danger
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
he is also jrr’s mary-sue for elves a bit tbh
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
rewriting the "down down to goblin town" song except its spoilertown
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
Ho ho, mark s
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link
thats right
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link
adding: sam is the xander
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
If you've only read one of those early paperback sets, particularly Ace Books, you've encountered many errors---this 50th Anniversary edition (the "trilogy" in one volume, as intended) has a different cover than the one I read, but the same or similar fast, dense, clear account by xpost Douglas A. Anderson (who describes it as "a single novel, consisting of six books, plus appendices, sometimes published in three volumes," which are incl., along w other materials provided by JRRT) of the garble introduced by "corrections", also typos, and how the author tried to get true corrections (and some revisions!) in for pretty much the last decade of his life (some of them finally made it into posthumous editions), He recommends Christopher Tolkien's History of Middle-Earth (soke of which is also in this edition) for a complete history of the novel itself, allll the stages of writing, incl. much later revisions mentioned above, 'til this 2005 edition, which may or may not be the true book (aside from the one in readers' heads and discourse, of course). You can Look Inside this on its Amazon page and read Anderson's whole intro. Giant paperback, also Kindle and hardback if want something less slippery:https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51eq24cRtRL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
Anderson does indicate that some errors came from trying to decipher author's handwriting in margins of manuscripts, as w Balzac, Proust, dog knows how many others.
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
I owned the very AD&D influenced box set, possibly early 80s if I were to guess... let me img srch
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ja1yfN7.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link
(1981 Ballantine)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link
Yup, the Sweet set; posted that above. Sweet also did all the Wheel of Time covers so he's had an impact!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link
abs <3 mark s heirlooms
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
(joyce was a terrible man for rewriting and just straight out adding material right there on the galleys at the printers)
(luckily in finnegans wake no one can tell you typo)
― mark s, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
whoops, sorry Ned. your pic post didn't trigger my nostalgia for some reason.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
Yeah Balzac and Proust would fuck with the galleys too, not sure about T., been a while since I read that intro, but Ballentine was where things started to get better, according to Anderson.
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
But when somebody consulted w T about a word etc., he might come up with a whole new set of ch-ch-changes, look out ye rock n rollers! (sry)
― dow, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
i bought a set of houghton miflin paperbacks bc they were cheap & on sale & god the cover art is so ugly
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
This thread is brilliant and very much making me want to re-read the trilogy (only read it once, about 20 years ago).
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link
I remember my parents had the pirated Ace Books editions:
https://www.tolkienguide.com/uploads/newbb/1_5b5cc13d2ff58.jpg
― Brad C., Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
The Two Towers: Dark Pegasus
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link
(TBF the Rankin-Bass ROTK made the same mistake.)
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
Anyway, as I promised/threatened: my collection of the books and everything else related to them and/or the films:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50891825966_e2657fb3d2_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50891114613_26c1fab2ec_b.jpg
Though TBF there's also the WETA art books for the Hobbit films in another bookcase plus a shelf with the various Jackson productions and Tolkien's own readings on CD and etc.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
And yes that does mean I own three physical copies of LOTR...plus one on Kindle. You know, just to have around.
Woof
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link
"You can't be too careful!" < / Jackson Bree guard voice, for that extra elan >
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link
No shame in that Ned, I own multiple editions of Oscar and Lucinda & Black Beauty.
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 30 January 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
I hope Deems won’t count this as a spoiler, but I’m just gonna say that of all the scenes where the books shit all over the movies from a great height, the Council of Elrond might be first among them.
― Guys don’t @ me because I tazed my own balls alright? (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 31 January 2021 00:19 (three years ago) link
Also greatly enjoying just how many scenes there are where Sam gets the last word in.
― Guys don’t @ me because I tazed my own balls alright? (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 31 January 2021 00:25 (three years ago) link
Im allowing it for political convenience
― Qanondorf (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 January 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link
Feeling wonder at Ned's collection like seeing Smaug's treasure.
― Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Sunday, 31 January 2021 03:42 (three years ago) link
nerd city lol <3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2021 03:53 (three years ago) link
Indeed and If you even took one item from it I would react like Smaug and seek to burn you alive. Whether or not I do so while speaking like Benedict Cumberbatch is debatable.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 January 2021 04:03 (three years ago) link
Anyway let us celebrate the poetry of the films.
sam’s response always breaks my heart into a million pieces pic.twitter.com/gYmQPXtSpi— Nariman△⃒⃘ (@slytherinus) January 30, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 January 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
Since folks were sharing their LOTR editions, these are mine from mid-70s. They have Tolkien's paintings on the covers. (hoping the formatting works)
https://i.imgur.com/OFluQHW.jpg
― that's not my post, Sunday, 31 January 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link
for it seemed to me that these books were dull, ill-written, whimsical and childish. And for me this had a reassuring outcome, for most of his more ardent supporters were soon beginning to sell out their shares in Professor Tolkien, and today those books have passed into a merciful oblivion.
this was one of the great literary predictions by big Phil Toynbee (Polly's dad) just before they couldn't print them fast enough to fill the shelves in bookstores in the US and subsequently everywhere else in the world!
― calzino, Sunday, 31 January 2021 21:18 (three years ago) link
cool covers!
― nxd, Sunday, 31 January 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link
behold the hideously ugly cover art from these 2004 paperbacks i got for cheap. i hate the covers so much, one day I will swap them out for a nicer editionhttps://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6EgAAOSwwbdWImTK/s-l500.jpghttps://2f96be1b505f7f7a63c3-837c961929b51c21ec10b9658b068d6c.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/products/061486.jpghttps://2f96be1b505f7f7a63c3-837c961929b51c21ec10b9658b068d6c.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/products/061485.jpg
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2021 23:03 (three years ago) link
I would like to find this version of the Hobbit illustrated by Tove Jannson:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2696/4448/products/9789510427927_frontcover_final_original_large.jpg?v=1522525558
― fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Sunday, 31 January 2021 23:19 (three years ago) link
oh hell yes
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2021 23:32 (three years ago) link
beautiful colour sense there. All the others are ugly, overworked mud and gravy!
― calzino, Sunday, 31 January 2021 23:37 (three years ago) link
only downside is the text is in Finnish but that's fine with me (I have the Jannson-illustrated English-language versions of Alice in Wonderland the Hunting of the Snark and they are awesome)
― fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Sunday, 31 January 2021 23:40 (three years ago) link
My version of The Hobbit is the same version posted above by that's not my post, but I've never seen the LOTR's from that version. They're really great.
― Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Monday, 1 February 2021 02:12 (three years ago) link
https://assets.moomin.com/uploads/2017/09/Tove-Jansson-Hobbit-original-2_2.jpg
― mark s, Monday, 1 February 2021 11:10 (three years ago) link