Defenestrate Them All: Canadian Politics 2021

I watched the original comedy bit here and it doesn't seem to me like it should be actionable: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2vxsn1
Seems p obvious that the comic is being goofy imo, although yeah it's not nice to make fun of a kid. Idk if he came back to it later in a harsher way.

In 2016, the tribunal found the effect of Ward’s comments—no matter their intent, since good intent is not a defence in human rights law—was to ostracize Gabriel and infringe on his rights to dignity and honour. It ordered Ward to pay $25,000 in moral damages and $10,000 in punitive damages to Gabriel, plus $7,000 to his mother. “Ward recognizes that he does not concern himself with the feelings of the victims and their families when he writes jokes,” the decision states. “The Tribunal is convinced that Ward could not have been oblivious of the consequences of his jokes on Jérémy.”

Yeah this standard that intent doesn't matter, only impact, seems bizarre to me. Shouldn't the kids who bullied Jeremy be the responsible ones?

also is there an anglo equivalent to the "Association des professionnels de l’industrie de l’humour"

y'all have "moral damages" huh?

Gabriel made a point years back that I think I agree with in that laughing at a collective ‘i.e the disabled’ is not the same as laughing at an individual ‘i.e Jeremy Gabriel’ in that a collective can properly respond to jokes and that an individual is more likely to take it personally and suffer consequences.

His argument is that it would be better for comedians to make racist, sexist, ableist, etc jokes?

He makes a difference between the right to offend a group and the right to hurt an individual.

I agree that there is a difference but what is the line that Ward crossed in this case? Comedians mock the appearance and abilities of public figures all the time, as per the Trump example in the article. I don't think someone would reasonably watch the clip and think Ward actually wished death on Gabriel. So is the issue that Gabriel was a child - should there be special legislation to protect children from being publicly insulted? Perhaps. Is it that Gabriel is disabled and so especially vulnerable?

And how far should we go wrt allowing individuals to sue for being emotionally hurt?

I think in this case Gabriel being a public figure should make him fair game yes.

And how far should we go wrt allowing individuals to sue for being emotionally hurt?

How far should we let people use their platform to bully individuals?

I'd draw a line at credible threats or incitement of violence.

like actual "physical injury to a human being" violence, not "semantic violence" or whatever

Let's not pretend words can't have a meaningful impact on someone's wellbeing.

And how far should we go wrt allowing individuals to sue for being emotionally hurt?

at long last I can sue the girls who ghosted me on okcupid

Let's not pretend words can't have a meaningful impact on someone's wellbeing.

They can but I don't think the government and courts should protect us from every insult, offence, heartbreak, etc. that words can cause.

Would the fact that this is a minor make this a bit different? As an adult, I suppose you could say you’d “consented” to being a public figure and all that comes with it - and you’re certainly better equipped to handle that. Targeting a literal child, by name, might be taking things too far.

Who mentioned heartbreak? What a weird thing to include.

I think we should protect people from bullying, cyberbullying and harassment. Obviously, those things can take the verbal form.

Something similar happened in the context of Canadian culture, with famed (and wonderful) singer songwriter Safia Nolin having her zoom class interrupted by jerks who called her 'fat ugly arab' and other horrible things. She's been harassed for months by an online mob for years and yes, I believe that whoever participated in this should be sued. Now, Ward and the joke is a different thing because the initial intent is to make people laugh. I just think that drawing the line only a physical violence is laughable now that we have tons of research about mental health wellbeing and verbal violence.

Comedians @jess_salomon, @JoshBlueComedy, and @Statuesse weighed in on the Supreme Court case that will decide if Mike Ward had a constitutional right to make fun of a disabled teen in his act.
Watch the full episode of Canada Tonight on @cbcgem https://t.co/WKPDc1l0Xw pic.twitter.com/Lzhh5MJNJo

— Ginella Massa (@Ginella_M) February 19, 2021

thought what this comedian and lawyer said about the case made a lot of sense

That sounds OTM, yeah.

Agreed. Thanks for posting that, symsymsym.

I think we should protect people from bullying, cyberbullying and harassment. Obviously, those things can take the verbal form...

I just think that drawing the line only a physical violence is laughable now that we have tons of research about mental health wellbeing and verbal violence.

Tbc, I was thinking about the context of a comedy performance, or another such artistic or journalistic commentary on a public figure. I do think there should be legal restrictions on things like sexual harassment in the workplace.

Since I shared an article earlier about my partner's fight to get needed accommodations in lockdown, I should note there was some progress on this, due in no small part to the efforts of NDP MPP Joel Harden. P sure it's the first time I've seen a political representative actually listen and get something done in response to appeals from anyone I know.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/municipalities-can-open-facilities-for-those-with-medical-needs-says-province

P sure it's the first time I've seen a political representative actually listen and get something done in response to appeals from anyone I know.

Same here, heh. I'm amazed and happy to see that it paid off.

I watched the full panel discussion from the CBC Gem link. It was good, I thought. Salomon made a number of good points.

The most talked about news item in sovereignist circles right now is...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-u-s-trudeau-parti-quebecois-1.5922938

Good on them for caring about history, I guess?

that pic of PET, lol

definitely looks like he's plotting some cheeky political interference there

More like Pierre Elliott Trolleau amirite.

xxxxxp That's really good news, sund4r.

Thanks!

"Canadian Pacific chairman Ian Sinclair, who is the country's most influential businessman and who has also contacted Trudeau for guidance, tells me he didn't get a pull-out signal but got no encouragement to hang in," the telegram said.

Lol. Tbh, I wouldnt put it past PET to scheme like that but this is also v nebulous, all "suggests", "might", "thinks", etc. And it's p obvious that the "anglo capitalist elite" didn't need a conspiracy in order to want to flee a PQ government. The RCMP espionage of the PQ, which we know to be fact, is far more damning, honestly.

If anyone hasn't seen the multi-part NFB doc The/Les Champions about Trudeau, Levesque, and their rivalry, btw, it's v good (and available in both languages).

If you want to have a bit of fun, try arguing with this crowd:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quebec/comments/lqgg0x/pierre_trudeau_may_have_asked_business_leader_to/

Vassago81
7 hours ago
J'suis prêt a payer plus cher de taxe scolaire pour que son visage soit imprimé dans le fond des urinoires et toilettes dans toutes les écoles.

BrewmasterOfPuppet
7 hours ago
Doublez mes taxes!!!

MrNonam3
Vallée des rivières
36 minutes ago
Je pense qu'il est temps que je me parte un rituel où je brûle sa photo tout en chantant Gens du Pays et embrassant une photo de papa Lévesque.

:D

If anyone hasn't seen the multi-part NFB doc The/Les Champions about Trudeau, Levesque, and their rivalry, btw, it's v good (and available in both languages).

― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 12:23 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

there was some discussion about this years ago, not sure which thread it was on, it is definitely worth watching

tempted to switch dn to "Doublez mes taxes!!!"

Not sure what to make of this. We knew things were slowed down but it's hard not to empathize with the replies. What's it looking like in other provinces?

Ontario will begin vaccinating people in the community in the 3rd week of March.

Week of Mar 22: 80+
April: 75+
May: 70+

The online booking portal will be available March 15.

— Colin D'Mello CTVNews (@ColinDMello) February 24, 2021

The NFB site still has the entirety of The Champions online.

Twitter wants me to know about this: https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/02/24/pierre-elliott-trudeau-traitre-a-son-peuple

So proud of our Eric Zemmour knockoff.

Ugh, as though the hotel quarantine wasn’t enough of an ordeal as is:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/man-charged-in-alleged-sexual-assault-at-dorval-quarantine-hotel

sund4r: i was reading yesterday that Ontario is behind most provinces for % vaccinated, locations set up and for getting an online portal.

not a lot of details in BC yet. I read a column this morning suggesting the 80+ crowd will need to sign up for this to register for their appointment, which I can't see going well.

I was just thinking about the same thing when they were talking about online vaccination appointments on cp24. For people 75 and over, and they don’t think to make it easy to do by phone?

first, you need to upload three (3) tiktoks

Breaking down the poll’s results by demographic and regional subsamples, this new data indicates that the PCs have no visible weak spot: The party leads its main rivals among both male and female voters, and is ahead by double-digits in every age group—including a 20-point lead with voters aged 50-64, and a 24-point lead with the 65+ demographic. Additionally, Ford is either statistically tied or ahead in every polling region of Ontario, and enjoys a crushing 26-point lead in the seat-rich 905 region.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/338canada-the-dominance-of-doug-fords-pc-party/

pathetic shit-eating province of losers

It’s cool, we’ve got you covered.

just realized we have a "worst canadian province" thread but it's from the pre-poll days....

Let’s not go there.

Now, ‘worst Canadian territory’ on the other hand...