Non-Criterion Boutique Home Video Discussion (Kino, Warner Archive, Arrow, Indicator, Vinegar Syndrome, Code Red, etc.)

Olive Films puts out a lot of good stuff. Can't seem to find a proper home page.

https://www.deepdiscount.com/olive-films/b236587

A small and arthouse-centric Kino sale started today alongside Criterion's: https://www.kinolorber.com/list/view/code/feb-brrr-ary-sale_2021

xpost I appreciate the titles that Olive releases but I'm not crazy about the fact that they're mostly bare-bones releases (usually just the film itself).

Agreed. Olive releases tend to make me frustrated Criterion or someone else didn't get them.

Sometimes I stream from Kino Now, does that count?

Weekend before last I watched some Hungarian mind game thriller that I liked, title is really long and hard to remember.

Huh, I didn't even know they had their own streaming service. It seems like a lot of their physical releases wind up streaming on Criterion Channel.

Wait, I misspoke. Kino Lorber does have its own streaming service called Kino Now, but I streamed PREPARATIONS TO BE TOGETHER FOR AN UNKNOWN PERIOD OF TIME from Film Forum.

Really hope that's not really the final Warner Archive sale! I didn't buy that often, but it was a nice thing to have around.

Streaming the latest Philippe Garrel from Film Forum now before it goes away.

xpost My understanding is that WB is parting ways with the company that runs WB Shop. There has been speculation running the gamut from 'so this is just the final 4 for $44 with that particular distributor' to 'so this means that WB is shuttering Warner Archive altogether'. Given that WB often demonstrates the sound business acumen of a downed power line whipping madly across a roadway, the real answer could fall anywhere within that continuum.

I recommend this Philippe Garrel film.

I'm sad about the possible demise of WB Archive but to be honest I could never be bothered with bare bones releases, even if the transfers are very good. Without the contextualization I'd rather just stream it or, in the before times, wait until it hits a repertory cinema.

Can heartily recommend the first volume of Indicator's Columbia Noir boxes. Bought it kinda expecting scraps, but the overall level is actually pretty good, and Drive A Crooked Road might make it on a hypothetical list of my all-time fave noirs.

Second Run is another one to look out for - they specialise in Eastern European cinema, so I end up giving them less of my money than I should because I'm just not very savvy on that topic yet. But a recent release that I loved is Tomorrow I'll Wake Up And Scald Myself With Tea, which is a nazi time travel comedy (!) from Czechoslovakia. Very much official state cinema, not a Czech New Wave kind of thing, but really clever with its time travel conceit; can't think of another movie that uses it so well this side of Back To The Future.

Finally, 88 Films, headed by Nicky Wire in a banana suit, have just had British censors refuse them permission to release a blu-ray for some Italian nazisploitation orgy thing, which is dumb but also very funny if you immediatley think of dude's ilx days.

i've been eyeing up the Second Run dvds for a while now, always meaning to buy more, but i only have the Jancso box.

(and Daisies. but then everyone has Daisies)

I'm sad about the possible demise of WB Archive but to be honest I could never be bothered with bare bones releases, even if the transfers are very good.

Huh. Are the latter regular Warner DVD releases that went OOP?

Some are. They just released Curse of Frankenstein which I think got a crummy snapcase DVD release 20 years ago in the US but was otherwise only ever available in multipacks. The new blu-ray is a two-disc set with the film in three different aspect ratios and a whole lot of new features.

Looking over my recent purchases (Curse, Shop Around the Corner, Meet Me in St. Louis, Best Years of our Lives), only Best Years is fairly stingy with the extras.

Second Run's Goodbye Dragon Inn might be my favorite release of the last year. Or at least my favorite movie that finally got a decent set.

Didn't realise Nicky Wire Bananaman actually ran 88 Films, but did watch one of his documentaries on a release - might have been Massacre In Dinosaur Valley? - so it makes sense.

I have never understood what "nicky wire in a banana suit" means and had no idea he was a poster...is there some reasonable reason his company has that name?

Big Hitler fan and cinephile

One of those more believable than the other.

ugh hitler stans are so annoying

Just did a nostalgic search through thread titles started by his most frequent identity and that was a wild ride. I didn't realise there were just so many of them.

In actually relevant news I went to order that Czech film from Second Run but I can't check out the shopping cart. Oh well.

yeah sorry for derail (also embarrassingly realized I've figured this out before)

still, I would probably avoid releasing nazisploitation movies with that company name

I wasn't having a go except at myself because I thought I was derailing.

there are lots of WB Archives Blu-Rays with extras. Off the top of my head, a couple Michael Curtiz movies (Dodge City + Adventures of Robin Hood) have newsreels, cartoons, short films (by Curtiz!), trailers, and multiple radio broadcasts of the film in question. Usually some contemporary interviews with scholars/critics, too.

Dunno about entire extra films though, I've only ever encountered that with Criterion. They should really emphasize that more imo, I mean the Stranger Than Paradise disc for example: it has Permanent Vacation! That's hardly an extra. Stranger Than Paradise is an extra on that disc!

Gaslight at least has both the 1940 and 1944 versions of the film. I could swear I have at least one other with a bonus film.

But yeah, Criterion (and others who do likewise) should make a bigger deal about that. I bought The Front Page from Kino not realizing that it was included on Criterion's release of His Girl Friday.

Most (if not all) of the Warner Archive Blu extras are ported over from the original DVDs.

The first Gaslight with Anton Walbrook is grebt.

Wow, I had no idea about Gaslight. Yeah, I had the same reaction with His Girl Friday, tbh I didn't even know it had the extra movie when I bought it. I went to watch HGF again like 2 years ago and was like "what's this extra disc...? ...oh..... wtf?!!"

It Happened One Night has a feature length Capra silent (haven't watched yet), and the Stagecoach release has one of the best Ford silents I've seen, Bucking Broadway.

Killer's Kiss included with The Killing...The Report included with Certified Copy...yeah...

I'd imagine with Criterion that it has to do with them gatekeeping what gets the official "prestige" of being included in the Collection, which kinda makes since for stuff like De Palma's Murder A La Mod (bonus for Blow Out) or the 30s version of Magnificent Obsession on the Sirk disc, but is pretty baffling choice when it comes to Permanent Vacation.

Killer's Kiss included with The Killing...The Report included with Certified Copy...yeah...

― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:24 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

YO

I'VE HAD THE REPORT THIS WHOLE TIME.....?

xxp Yeah that does make sense, it just feels like they should advertise them more, I mean I had NO idea Certified Copy came with The Report-- and I've had that disc for years!

But, then again, I don't read stickers!

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The studio killed the original UK Gaslight in various ways such as renaming it so as not to compete with the US remake, iirc..

Okay, MGM destroyed the negative at the time, and one or both versions were variously known as Angel Street and The Murder in Thornton Square.

Bonus films are indeed an awesome feature, though tbh I'm not sure I'll ever get around to the earlier version of Holiday

I haven't looked at the Warner Archive site in years, but I remember being wary because the DVDs (and maybe the blu-rays?) were sometimes DVD-Rs/MOD. The fact that a even some factory-pressed Warner titles from about fifteen years ago became unplayable over time helped sour me on buying Warner releases. But I also just rarely watch physical discs any more, unfortunately.

xxp Another bonus feature IIRC is The Traveler on Criterion's Close-Up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/arts/gaslight-movie-afterlife.html
J. Hoberman's overview.

xpost Warner Archive DVDs are, unfortunately, usually DVD-Rs and thusly not generally something I'm inclined to pay money for (except that I'm probably going to fold on the Forbidden Hollywood sets eventually). Their blu-rays, however, are legit manufactured discs and well worth checking out. They have so much good stuff.

Whew, I thought you meant Deep Discount for a second. Olive, though.....ehhhhh. It's telling that I didn't even notice they were gone. They released a lot of titles I wanted to buy, but their stuff was always overpriced, and their minimal effort, bare-bones discs were always of the late-'90s 'treating an interactive menu as if it's a special feature' variety, so I'm not exactly despondent over the loss.

They might have dumped a bunch of their stock on DD, who are merely one arm of a huge online physical media retail empire (encompassing Critic's Choice Video and Collector's Choice Music amongst others).

I ended up not getting anything from that sale because almost everything I wanted was already backordered.

I buy from Deep Discount pretty regularly, as well as their CD site, import-cds.com.

Yeah, Olive was pretty disappointing. Really wish that wasn’t the case because there aren’t many boutiques and they were even based in Chicago (I passed by their office all the time the short time I lived there) but you could find most of the same titles in better quality with better presentation from UK boutiques. They did up their game with their Signature series but that should have been their baseline.

Olive walked so Kino Lorber Studio Classics could run.

Kino doesn't have their shit together either. They really need to work on their QC. They put out so much stuff, I feel like they rush them out the door without taking the time to check everything over. Their UHD's have been really hit-or-miss for that reason, like the sloppy, quasi-stereo output on the original mono soundtrack on The Manchurian Candidate (the original 1962 film, not the remake) or the massive fuck-up on The Silence of the Lambs. They usually refuse to fix these things when they're called out.

Olive walked (poorly) so Kino Lorber Studio Classics could run (also poorly).

Self-Fix

I want to get the Saul Bass giant ant sci-fi movie blu-ray but it's probably not worth buying a Blu-Ray player just for that

(were they giant? i thought they were normal size)

Them Phase IV Ants

Ha, I don’t know, the poster/cover art I’ve seen made them look huge

Regular sized ants but they make it up in volume.

spoilers, sorry

I want to get the Saul Bass giant ant sci-fi movie blu-ray but it's probably not worth buying a Blu-Ray player just for that

I dunno. I could make a case that Phase IV is the perfect reason to get a Blu-Ray player

Having got said set and watched the 4K the other day, I can confirm: yes.

Good interview with Richard Lorber as in Kino Lorber:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kino-lorber-interview-dvds-quality-1235901130/

And speaking of — Kino now has its own streaming service a la Criterion:

https://kinofilmcollection.com/

Not outside the US it seems

We’re number one!

Criterion (and Janus Films) acquired by Steven Rales. Rales is the founder of Indian Paintbrush, a company that finances Wes Anderson's movies, among other things.

other companies that Rales owns include drug testing companies that have been accused of profiteering developing countries, lovely guy I'm sure

A decent flash sale at Arrow UK this weekend.

https://www.arrowfilms.com/spotlight-deals.list

I already have this but its half-price in the sake and its worth getting
https://www.arrowfilms.com/battles-without-honor-and-humanity-the-complete-collection-blu-ray/13167090.html

*sale

well-spotted. a couple of things on my wish list there, will probably spring for the ju-on box.

the stray cat rock and female prisoner scorpion boxes are good value at £25 each

Meantime Vinegar Syndrome has got its Halfway to Black Friday sale going

https://vinegarsyndrome.com/

Vinegar Syndrome kills me because everything they release is either "Huh, never even heard of that" or "Really? That?"

Honestly I shop their partner labels a LOT more.

I admit I gave their version of Phase IV a look, but it doesn't seem to have anything the Japanese Blu-Ray I bought a couple of years ago lacks.

Yeah I hadn't gotten that earlier one so I happily picked their version up. Well worth it! Good extras too.

An action tour-de-force from director Joseph Zito (The Prowler, Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter) and one of the key films in helping establish Chuck Norris (who co-authored the screenplay with James Bruner) as an action superstar, INVASION U.S.A. was also one of the first true blockbusters from 80s genre film legends Menahem Golan and Yoram Globus’ Cannon Films. Co-starring Richard Lynch (The Sword and the Sorcerer), Melissa Prophet (Goodfellas, Casino), and Billy Drago (The Untouchables), this epic feat of non-stop stunt work and incredible action setpieces comes to 4K UHD from Vinegar Syndrome, newly restored for this release from its 35mm original camera negative and ready for retribution with a staggering supply of new and archival bonus materials.

I feel like this kind of description is sort of like trying to flip an old house after giving it nothing more than a new paint job and wood slat fencing around the perimeter of the property.

well-spotted. a couple of things on my wish list there, will probably spring for the ju-on box.

the stray cat rock and female prisoner scorpion boxes are good value at £25 each

― koogs, Friday, 24 May 2024 18:29 (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Aye, I did grab those.

HMV also have a sale on for Radiance blu-rays 2 for £22
https://hmv.com/store/film-tv/radiance-blu-ray-2-for-%C2%A322

Well I was excited that BFI had a sale on their recent blu ray set “Three Films by Yasujiro Ozu” - they’re not exactly top-tier titles but I assume it’ll go out of print rapidly like all such niche sets. Even the 80s Obayashi set from last year has doubled in price used.

Problem for me is VS raised the MSRP on everything, so even at 50% off... hard to throw $25-35 on a blind buy

i have two of those ozu titles on other bfi releases but have been wanting Tenement Gentleman for a while

(but that's not much cheaper than fopp was already selling it for)

fwiw I think an Ozu set from the BFI is going to have a larger printing than an Obayashi from Third Window

I have about a 50% hit rate through VS, science fiction and Spanish language are almost certainly worth it but the other ones I pick up are hit and miss. I'm not interested in 80s action movies though so over the past couple of years there's definitely been a lot to avoid.

glad I'm not into the stuff VS puts out cos that shit be expensive. appreciate their conservation efforts tho

Vinegar Sugar is nuts, Love to pay more for a DVD than the original budget of the movie.

Syndrome, not Sugar.

Invasion USA is a shitty pick. I kept hoping it would be something like the final J. Lee Thompson/Charles Bronson collab, the absolutely fucking insane Kinjite: Forbidden Subjects (1999)

Deaf Crocodile and Canadian International are killing it. The only 2 partner labels worth blind buying anything from. Dennis Bartok of Deaf Crocodile was the lead programmer of the American Cinematheque for years, and their schedules declined significantly after his departure

Phase IV is a rare disc I’ve bought twice, as the older Blu has Bass’ short films.

I was actually present when the Cinefamily in L.A. showed the original ending of Phase IV for the first time ever. The film doesn’t work without it-you literally SEE the titular fourth phase in it!

Yeah I’ve bought everything on Deaf Crocodile and supported their Kickstarters. Insanely good work.

yeh I've got a few DC releases and want more, no longer a partner label tho so going to be slightly harder & more expensive for people outside the US to get hold of them

Speaking of Vinegar Syndrome Partner Labels, Fun City Editions responded to a fan query on FB that if one was interested in any of their titles that VS distributed, now is the best time to grab 'em because those titles will be OOP once they're sold out: https://vinegarsyndrome.com/collections/going-out-of-print-pl

FCE is also doing a sale on most of their newer titles not distributed by VS: https://www.funcityeditions.com/shop