Didn't they say they were going to do a making-of show?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
'Assembled: The Making of WandaVision' premieres March 12, 2021 on Disney+
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:21 (three years ago) link
Ah well, there you go!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:22 (three years ago) link
Very good. I haven't seen much of the Mandalorian making-of, but if it's the same quality I'll happily watch that
― Nhex, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
Am I missing something or is Agatha All Along anything more than a tweaked Munsters Today theme?
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link
That's the whole point!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 February 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
Some good tweets from the writer of the episode:
I told a therapist once that my trauma defined me. She said no: It shapes you. It was paramount to the writers of #WandaVison to not just look at where Wanda has been, but to spend time with her there. To give space & voice to her grief, to her loss. To watch her take shape. https://t.co/4OPn2Ux7M8— Laura Donney (@LMdonney) February 26, 2021
The response to this episode has been so meaningful. TV writing is a group effort, & in our case, a beautiful one. Heres to our fearless and heartful leader #jacschaeffer and the entire writers room:— Laura Donney (@LMdonney) February 27, 2021
Worried I’m gonna lose all my new WandaVision followers once they realize all I do is tweet about being Jewish and loving my Aunt.— Laura Donney (@LMdonney) February 28, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 February 2021 03:14 (three years ago) link
<3
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 28 February 2021 04:21 (three years ago) link
I'll reword my question then - why on earth are people losing their shit about a retooled Munsters theme?
(As an aside, thinking about this made me realise the Munsters theme shares a hell of a lot of DNA with the Flintstones theme but I suppose you'll tell me that should be in the "old when you realised" thread)
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 09:19 (three years ago) link
(I did not know Munsters Today even existed until your previous post but) have you noticed that any of the other episodes, or the beginning of this one, contain riffs on sitcom themes of yore?
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 10:27 (three years ago) link
On the one hand, the reaction to Agatha After All is considerably more hype than the other tunes.
On the other hand, isn't most of the hype about the remix?
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 28 February 2021 10:50 (three years ago) link
I didn't notice anything else sitcommy but since most of the other themes have been for shows that either weren't broadcast or are largely unknown in the UK (e.g. Dick van Dyke show, which I'm aware of but have never seen more than a couple of eps of) that maybe isn't surprising. Or just more recent things like Malcolm in the Middle or Modern Family that I just haven't seen so wouldn't know if it slapped me round the face.
But this is different from them, this is a show not directly referenced by the visuals (and not in the Maximoff dvd library as seen in ep8).
Actually I saw an interview after ep7 where they said it sounded like it fitted so well because they'd shared the theme with other score writers and they had left clues to it in the rest of the soundtrack.
Hype absolutely not just around the remix e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pFne_gwjQk
Maybe it's just the Frozen effect, like Let It Go.
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 11:13 (three years ago) link
most of the reaction is to its narrative function, not to the melody
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 11:13 (three years ago) link
the 80s and '00s "sitcom themes" are very definitely making specific musical and visual references to specific sitcoms of the referenced eras.
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 11:16 (three years ago) link
Vs
Remixes not notably about narrative function.
As I said, I'm not familiar enough with the contents of the Maximoff Blockbuster Suitcase to recognise they're straight lifts from them but this is still different as The Munsters wasn't in there (that I could see, happy to be corrected). I suppose possibly the answer is the other themes are created by Wanda and this by Agatha so <shrugs>. What do I know.
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 11:29 (three years ago) link
what is going on here??
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 February 2021 12:17 (three years ago) link
I have not had the same experience as Andrew re: the alleged "remix" (one of several trap bootlegs afaik?), cf
btw I can't get that Agatha theme song out of my head― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, February 20, 2021 3:00 PM (one week ago)
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, February 20, 2021 3:00 PM (one week ago)
knowing that it's her actually singing it just makes that song even more delightful― Nhex, Sunday, February 21, 2021 5:58 AM (one week ago)
― Nhex, Sunday, February 21, 2021 5:58 AM (one week ago)
if we assume that the show's meta-asides are to be taken as messages from a reliable narrator (as they have so far wrt theme lyrics, visual asides suggesting not all is as it seems), Agatha is described in the song as insidious, perfidious and "messing up everything." She also admits to killing a dog with Wicked Witch of the West flair ― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:18 AM (five days ago)
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:18 AM (five days ago)
that fucking agatha song has been stuck in my head constantly― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:01 AM (five days ago)
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:01 AM (five days ago)
Meantime, new interview with Anderson-Lopez/Lopezhttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/arts/television/wandavision-agatha-all-along.html("Meet" probably the most famous songwriting duo on Broadway/at Disney etc? Change that headline.)Honestly this week's episode was among other things just an amazing tonal shift after having said song in my head off and on throughout the week.― Ned Raggett, Saturday, February 27, 2021 6:27 AM (yesterday)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/arts/television/wandavision-agatha-all-along.html
("Meet" probably the most famous songwriting duo on Broadway/at Disney etc? Change that headline.)
Honestly this week's episode was among other things just an amazing tonal shift after having said song in my head off and on throughout the week.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, February 27, 2021 6:27 AM (yesterday)
Agatha definitely an interesting villain(?) as the intro is definitely... open to some kind of interpretation. Glad they went this route (maybe?) rather than keeping her as evil as the end of the song implied. Also, did they use some funky de-aging tech or was it just incredible makeup for her flashback?― Nhex, Saturday, February 27, 2021 10:59 AM (yesterday)
― Nhex, Saturday, February 27, 2021 10:59 AM (yesterday)
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 12:24 (three years ago) link
yeah sorry i just don't get this whole latest back and forth about the agatha song, and the 'hype', and some remix somewhere, and that it sounds like the munsters... what's the bone of contention exactly?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 February 2021 12:45 (three years ago) link
“people like something but still wanna complain about it.”
- ILX
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 28 February 2021 12:48 (three years ago) link
aldo didn’t know that the other sitcom themes sounded like sitcom themes*, so he’s latched on to Agatha sounding like one he knows, and is thus fixating on the melody being pastiched, rather than on it being a fun way to do a plot reveal * 100% fair obv
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 12:51 (three years ago) link
other ppl are enjoying being earwormed by the catchy fun joke that delivered a narrative twist. aldo is confused bcz he just thinks of The Munsters if he plays the tune in his head, and thinks he must be missing something, so asked if he’s missing somethingno big deal in any direction rly
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 12:55 (three years ago) link
lol okay
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 February 2021 12:59 (three years ago) link
i do like that the episode is called 'breaking the fourth wall' and there is this unsettling slippage about who, in fact, the audience is for agatha's theme/montage. it's us, mainly, and serves its delicious reveal function to us, but does wanda 'see' it, too? no, i think?
'fietro' = a+
this whole episode was amazing imo. the moment we see vision being remade in the 50s world, and he looks at wanda, and they just assume their roles, and then we see the sets and the lights.. ahhh directly into my veins plz
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 February 2021 13:03 (three years ago) link
But this is different from them, this is a show not directly referenced by the visualsagain, not knowing what Munsters Today is, but: the Agatha All Along titles show a 1960s b&w supernatural sitcom transplanted to whenever the present day is. sooooo??
― grab bag cum trash bag (sic), Sunday, 28 February 2021 13:08 (three years ago) link
aldo didn’t know that the other sitcom themes sounded like sitcom themes*, so he’s latched on to Agatha sounding like one he knows, and is thus fixating on the melody being pastiched, rather than on it being a fun way to do a plot reveal* 100% fair obv
* 100% fair obv
aldo makes minor point about song which is blowing up on social media in the real world sounding like something else and so confused by why it's so popular, sic-signal activated, above strawman erroneously deployed.
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 13:12 (three years ago) link
My point is entirely about earworming beyond the narrative of the show, and why this. But I suppose why *anything* trends on social media.
(I could have guessed the themes used for the sitcoms were direct references and lifts from the things they're directly parodying.)
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 13:19 (three years ago) link
That particular one went viral because it’s the culmination of the musical theme that has been building throughout all of the other themes, it’s tied to a massive plot point, and it’s bad ass.
Re: the first point, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIS8P6plRvM
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
Did anyone else post that music analysis clip, where it's pointed out that they incorporated the same three or four note motif into all the different theme songs? And, just to make it more fun, it's built around a tritone interval, aka "The Devil's Interval?"
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link
Holy shit! Twins!
it sounded like it fitted so well because they'd shared the theme with other score writers and they had left clues to it in the rest of the soundtrack.
I pointed that out earlier but it was more fun to imply I'm televisually illiterate.
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:09 (three years ago) link
STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD, ME
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:11 (three years ago) link
it was aldo, all along!
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
https://img.particlenews.com/img/id/3VKol8_0YjApx1Y00?type=webp_512x288
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
re: music theory, it’s a kind of major tritone sound found in the lydian mode, which is also prominently used in the theme song for the longest running sitcom of all time
the siiimp sooons
― little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:37 (three years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/FlandersDevil.png
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link
who’s that goat-legged fellow? i like the cut of his jib
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 February 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
Man this is just making me wish one of the opening credit parodies was an animated Simpsons riff! They have the rights to it all too!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:17 (three years ago) link
If they hadn’t skipped from Family Ties to Malcolm in the Middle, they could have put The Simpsons in that slot.
On a related note, someone on Twitter asked “what sitcoms would you find refuge in if you were Wanda” and the first one that came to mind was Good Times, which feels like a great way of showing how even something as “universal” as using sitcoms to escape reality isn’t universal
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link
When I saw this I threw my typewriter out the window. You just can't touch this 😭 pic.twitter.com/ihvcFXjtfd— ben "slenderben" flores (@limitlessjest) February 28, 2021
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link
it's the culmination of the musical theme that has been building throughout all of the other themes
The Lopez-Andersons also talk about this in the interview that Ned posted.
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
(flip that name & reverse it, lol)
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
I thought for sure I saw a promotional image that showed Wanda sitting in what appeared to be the Conners' kitchen so I was disappointed that that never happened.
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
I could totally imagine finding comfort in something like, say, "What's Happening," which I watched the hell out of, or "Laverne & Shirley"/"Happy Days" (which itself was already retro comfort food), but based on the other garbage I watched as a kid I would end up in something like "Cheers," "MASH," "Dukes of Hazzard," "A-Team" or "Knight Rider," shows I'd probably want to avoid living in for a myriad of reasons.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
Wanda killed Roseanne
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link
We've been watching "Maude" lately -- is there a thread to discuss that? Something for old sitcoms? It's pretty great; I wasn't familiar with most of those old Norman Lear shows.
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:44 (three years ago) link
Pretty much. Even with the in-universe reality I was thinking "I dunno, Dad Maximoff, looks like you left a few out there." Not that there was any way in the universe they were going to be able to riff on The Cosby Show, but Good Times definitely came to mind, Family Matters as well. I kinda loved the Living Single mockups I was seeing on Twitter.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
Oh, yeah, "Cosby Show" would be in the mix. (And guess what: I've never seen "Roseanne"!)
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link
...Stop.No, literally stop what you're doing right now and go watch Roseanne. The first five seasons are about as good as tv gets.I...how is that even possible?!?
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
At least I know who and what Roseanne is, lol!
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 February 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link
lol, I will grant you that.
― Chokeslamming A Memory (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 February 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link