Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

agreed, pretty good take

I didn't find that piece at all convincing -- it's totally possible that they meant to make Rambeau more central to the series than she was, but I just don't think "Monica Rambeau was WandaVision's real hero" holds up as as regards the show we actually saw. She just wasn't there that much!

Anyway will watch the making-of deal at some point here but there's always next week! In which...this happens:

Watch a brand-new official clip from Marvel Studios’ The Falcon and The Winter Soldier. Start streaming in one week on @DisneyPlus. #FalconAndWinterSoldier pic.twitter.com/lR6yVQSWuP

— The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (@falconandwinter) March 12, 2021

As was said in response:

I'm sorry did Bucky read The Hobbit, a children's book, on its first printing of 1500 copies when he was a twenty year old man taking art classes at the Brooklyn YMCA https://t.co/i0YNEnsheU

— alexis nedd 🎮 💙 (@alexisthenedd) March 12, 2021

Did James Buchanan Barnes, future assassin of John F. Kennedy, read Tolkein on the subway to his art classes, and show tiny Steve Rogers sketches of hobbits saying "it's you, you're Bilbo"

— alexis nedd 🎮 💙 (@alexisthenedd) March 12, 2021

I mean I have an interest in these matters, obv.

I just love that they made a whole TV series based entirely on Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan’s MCU press tours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utHpac5DCIo

upon seeing some comments about how katherine hahn is more interesting as agnes than as agatha: it would’ve been cool if she actually was agnes the whole time, one of the town's people who through some accident gained her free will back and realized what was going on but went along because she loves sitcoms, loved the change and actually enjoyed playing the role of the nosy neighbour.

so Falcon and Winter Soldier then innit

a very solid B- first episode but props for having bucky drink tiger beer

I had some Spockesque "this is illogical" issues but it's too early to say thumbs up/down.

The Brube:

And of course, today the FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER show debuts on Disney+, which I sadly have very mixed feelings about. I’m really happy for Sebastian Stan, who I think is both a great guy and the perfect Bucky/Winter Soldier, and I’m glad to see him getting more screen time finally. Also, Anthony Mackie is amazing as the Falcon, and everyone at Marvel Studios that I’ve ever met (all the way up to Kevin Feige) have been nothing but kind to me… but at the same time, for the most part all Steve Epting and I have gotten for creating the Winter Soldier and his storyline is a “thanks” here or there, and over the years that’s become harder and harder to live with. I’ve even seen higher-ups on the publishing side try to take credit for my work a few times, which was pretty galling (to be clear, I’m NOT talking about Tom Breevort, who was a great editor and really helpful).

So yeah, mixed feeling, and maybe it’ll always be like that (but I sure hope not). Work-for-hire work is what it is, and I’m honestly thrilled to have co-created something that’s become such a big part of pop culture – or even pop subculture with all the Bucky-Steve slash fiction – and that run on Cap was one of the happiest times of my career, certainly while doing superhero comics. Also, I have a great life as a writer and much of it is because of Cap and the Winter Soldier bringing so many readers to my other work. But I also can’t deny feeling a bit sick to my stomach sometimes when my inbox fills up with people wanting comments on the show.

So… I’m sure I’ll watch it, and you should too if you’re a Marvel movie universe fan, but I’ll probably be waiting a while to check it out myself. So please don’t email me any spoilers, I guess, but go give Sebastian Stan lots of love wherever he is online.

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sic i just want to say i really appreciate your commitment to creators.

if anything, brubaker's being too humble. he didn't just create the winter soldier and his storyline; he more or less saved captain america for the modern era and he deserves more.

it should be noted for those few noncomic geek MCU fans among us that Ed Brubaker is the comic writer who rebooted Captain America in the 2000's and created the winter soldier out of bucky

And my former roommate tbh

I...think I knew that. Why did I know that?

The mighty vine at the mighty rock iirc

I thought this first episode was pretty good! At least, I enjoyed it and look forward to it, well, going forward.

I enjoyed this a lot

the first teaser trailer was ~so~ lame i had abandoned all hope

glad to see the positve reviews! hopefully will watch tonight

The last scene is real real good. got me like marvin martian levels of angry.

completely separately, we kinda knew this from that one scene way back in civil war, but sebastian stan is a pretty good comic actor!

yeah he has great timing

i enjoyed this -lotta scene setting etc so not like, exciting but i will def keep watching

also battleship as a drinking game <3

personally love how sebastian stan is the biggest star to come out of gossip girl, carter baizen supremacy

i only know wyatt russell from lodge 49 so his casting in THAT role seems v counterintuitive but i’m looking forward to seeing what he does with it

Lol when the Battleship game happened I immediately said “THAT IS GENIUS” and was sad I didn’t have a time machine to go back to college to implement it

i've only seen Wyatt in Overlord so... he fit well

I chuckled at the moment when Sam and his sister were arguing after the bank and then just grab food deliveries from their truck.

i haven't check this thread in a while as i hadn't finished wandavision yet but saw this:

lol at Growing Pains callback

I had no idea until recent imdb-ing that matt shakman was a child actor on just the ten of us which was a spinoff of growing pains.

As someone burning through a full Captain America read-through right now, tuning into the first episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier gave me whiplash.

In the comics, Sam is a social worker who has a great relationship with a bird. On TV he murders 10 people for the US gov't

— Jacob deNobel (@Jacob_deNobel) March 24, 2021

So Disney just gave up and announced Black Widow for Disney+ (+ extra $) on July 9, right?

i was pretty underwhelmed by the first episode of F+WS but it was definitely a show where I started saying "killed him. killed him too. okay, that guy is dead. he's DEFINITELY dead"

xpost - guessing they can't keep waiting forever, given how they are trying to fit things into a larger storyline with this phase. I mean, it's probably less critical given the timeframe, but they can't sit on it forever.

Yeah, gotta say, Sam's casual body count rack-up in that first ep didn't sit particularly well with me, either.

Some of you never watched 80's action movies and it shows.

have been reading mentions of Falcon and the Winter Soldier on the internet in the last week and thinking to myself "why are people talking about "the falcon and the snowman"?

I've watched (and still watch, and love) a buttload of '80s action movies. Marvel heroes aren't supposed to be Reagan-era sociopaths, tho.

Sam Wilson should not be Marion Cobretti with wings, is what I'm saying here.

Yeah, I was being flip. More of a response to some of the Twitter reactions I've seen from younger people whose heads would likely explode if they encountered the body counts in those flicks.

And not just wrt to this show. Obviously it speaks to the level of desensitization to people my age, being inundated by the body counts of Chuck Norris, Steven Seagal and Rambo flicks, but it feels weird to see people react so strongly to the relatively tame body counts of modern action movies.

I remember way back when the first Iron Man movie came out, a friend with a (then) young kid asked me how violent it was, and I told him, well, you don't see much blood, but I've gotta assume a lot of people are dying. That's what I thought in the first few minutes of Falcon and Winter Melon, even before the Bucky nightmare. Though of course nothing here is remotely as grisly as Daredevil or Punisher on Netflix was.

There was some truly gnarly shit in the Netflix series. Like horror movie-level gnarly.

Yeah and it was ladled into every episode like the Walking Dead as if their audience was expecting a certain amount of gore/episode. I hope if they reboot the Netflix Marvel series they lose that piece of it.

Did I use series the right way there? I meant it to be plural but it's hard to tell that in context.

I guess if I used "them" instead of "it" it might have added the correct context.

'Series' works in both the plural and the singular but can be confusing. If only 'serieses' didn't sound so Gollum-esque.

In any case, I would love a Daredevil TV reboot or a movie. It's gotta be gritty, but they don't need to make it so gory.

Kingpin slamming that guy's head repeatedly in the car door was maybe as bad as it got.

Punisher getting a power drill through his boot was pretty gross. And kinda hilarious that like 1 day later he's running around again.

cool to see disney explicitly acknowledge that good morning america is indeed part of the propaganda wing of the military-industrial complex in this new episode

was that the actual host of good morning america playing the host of good morning america?

Haven’t seen it yet - do they acknowledge Marvel’s complicity in the MIC?

New one is pretty good, too. I like the way both of the MCU shows so far have been used to subtly fill in the gaps of what life was like with half the world gone, and also after they all came back at once.

Clearing something up, Sam is just a regular person with a flying wing suit, right? And nu-Cap ... is just a regular human, too, right? Neither seem like they would last long against people with super-human strength. I did like the truck fight in this, though.

Oh, and the buddy cop relationship between Bucky and Sam ... did they have much interaction at all in the movies? They're depicted as long time friends or rivals or frenemies.