xpost I guess that's part of why I've historically tended to eschew fandoms in favor of appreciating things in my own little lonely bubble. But I recognize that I'm probably an outlier in that regard.
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link
I think we're quibbling about semantics here. I am exactly like you, but to me that kind of relationship with art also intersects with looser conceptions of 'fandom' and 'community' (be it, to quote Bataille, 'the community of those who have no community'). Merely liking something draws you outside; it is enough to burst said lonely bubble imo.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 14:56 (three years ago) link
leave me alone with my thomas kinkade paintings
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
In, say, the uk or ireland its possible for it to be a fairly legit trad way of life with continuous ties- thinking the islands and the west fairly specifically- a lifestyle that generations of people were forced into!
but also a bit that rich scions of mumford wealth roleplay at also in order to lecture everyone about how easy it is and how much better life would be if we all owned a cotswold listed building and got Trevor with a masters in agricultural science to do all the work for us on minimum wage
Shades of shades depending on the historical context for me anyway
nb where cores or aesthetics or fandoms come into it idk im a simple man of the islands me
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 14:59 (three years ago) link
I've historically tended to eschew fandoms in favor of appreciating things in my own little lonely bubble. But I recognize that I'm probably an outlier in that regard.
you're a prolific poster on a messageboard that discusses politics and pop culture so i'd say this is.... incorrect
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:01 (three years ago) link
Pfft, implying this place is endowed with even a modicum of reality.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:04 (three years ago) link
lol, touché. To the extent that ILX counts as an aesthetic community, this would be my sole exception.
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
See deems the vibe in our context is less what you’re talking about and more na Sasanaigh in this infamous article, specifically
When my wife Nona and I first came here, we said west Cork is like England in the Fifties. We felt so at home here. It felt like old home, going back in time, to old England.
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
xpost Generally feeling pretty okay about the ethos of my fellow aesthetes in that regard, though.
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link
How do you feel about their logos and pathos, though?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:07 (three years ago) link
Honestly when ppl start on "the good old days" in any capacity I usually have to step out of the room on a pretext. They never mean the actual historical material conditions.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:07 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I would think that ppl that are a part of the fairly legit trad way of life with continuous ties don't really spend much time celebrating it as an ~~internet aesthetic~~. At least the ones I know don't, they're online ofc and have instagram and etc. but don't tend to use it as a celebration of that.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
Tbf rose-tinted left-wing nostalgia is also a thing.
xp
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link
xp absolutely nailed on the people in that piece above voted Tory for their own selfish reasons, and didn’t like the results of their actions so it’s time to move back in time to somewhere they don’t have to think about any of that 🙃
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link
what are some "trad" aesthetics that are non-fascist?
I think centering the idea of "neighborliness" e.g.
https://bedstuystrong.com/
or, similarly, fetishizing immigrant mutual aid societies or etc. is one version of this I've seen
xp this agrees with what pom said
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:11 (three years ago) link
When communities are well-knit and caring and working properly, they do mutual aid without calling it anything at all. I think about this a lot. Yes.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:13 (three years ago) link
Yeah i hear that gyac- in specific contexts the cosplay of cottageplay feeds into a hundred things and patterns that id have thoughts on- definitely. West cork a fine example!
But also the underlying assumption on ilx isnt about the cottage lifestyles or w/e its maybe more like the attn or study or time ppl might presume everyone others would have to delve into semiotics around the culture and the language and angle that we each of us "should" have or the agreed line on these things? Thats a culture in itself imo
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
Tbh American settlers would never have survived without collective care/mutual aid/barn raisings/etc because mostly they were mostly not very good at farming and they were NOT highly trained frontier survivalists by and large. There's just a lot to be unpacked about this whole thing.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:16 (three years ago) link
xp to Darragh--people posting to this thread pretending they aren't allowed to like cottages anymore certainly have time to read up.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:17 (three years ago) link
Lol yes look im staving away from those takes too
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:17 (three years ago) link
;)
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
I'm also intrigued by the metonymic emphasis on 'cottage'.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it has an, um, broader semantic value in British English…
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
hee ive not been saying im behaving
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link
Apologies for the extent to which I have contributed to facile 'not all cottages' discourse, I have entered my busy season @ work and am not able to contribute my usually super-high level of nuance and erudition to this convo at the mo
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
Again, my favorite anarchist farmer has a whole collection of twitter threads about watching the show "Doomsday Preppers" and pointing out the multiple omissions and idiocies that will certainly get ppl killed in an actual apocalypse. Cottagecore is the "wouldn't it be nice to stay at home and make soup and embrace this constructed role of femininity" and violent preppers are the "wouldn't it be nice to shoot people with impunity to embrace my constructed masculinity" and both are ill founded and fundamentally racist & patriarchal at least in the context of a settler cultural history. No reflection on people who are the actual indigenous people of their region, ofc.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
#notallsoups obv
Holy shit you did not just reference the soup. Gyaaaaaccc
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
#soupcore
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
I want to move to the equivalent of the hamptons and cosplay as an idle rich tbph
lol chonaic méééé xp
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:27 (three years ago) link
america, the great melting soup
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link
so what are some of the other internet aesthetics? this cottagecore stuff feels very done to death ideological implications aside tbh
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 17, 2021 3:26 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
I was under the impression you were already doing this tbh? What with all the country vistas and artful bouquets.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
isn't instagram 75% idle rich cosplay?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
so what are some of the other internet aesthetics?
Didn't vapourwave kick off the whole 'A E S T H E T I C' shtick?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
Look thats actually fair io
So soon after a soup ref and she has nailed me ffs im done
― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
Is QAnon an internet aesthetic?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link
this is what happens when your friends make friends with other Irish people
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link
What is an aesthetic?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
Is everything political, y/n?
time to log off, pom
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
pom spelling it 'vapourwave' is the most radical action anyone has taken on this thread so far
― imago, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
Daniel_RF https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Aesthetics
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:33 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
*runs around in a green hat asking where the craic is*
― imago, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
I'm glad you noticed. This is how you launch a revolution ppl.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
#TeamCommonwealth
dog latin yeah I saw that list but it's about aesthetics through the ages, like modernism is in there. I may have been raised by hippie farmers but I know about that already.
was more curious about what other movements are currently fighting for space w/ cottagecore on the internet - like I'd never heard of Corporate Memphis before, for example
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:46 (three years ago) link
it's funny how dominant health goth used to be
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link