Damn, wish this thread had existed sooner, lots of good posts about it sprinkled across a half dozen other threads.
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
i wouldn't compare it to fargo. i don't see the violence as glib, i think it's perfunctory in that it reflects john tavner going through the motions with little regard for the overall purpose or his own well-being
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link
the utterly unique and fairly brilliant dynamic in my mind is the mirrored setup between: 1) an emotionally (and by proxy physically) abusive user of a father who clearly loves his sons but is willing to chew them up if he has to / deeply damaged, easily manipulated, well-meaning men who eat their own souls trying to please an unpleaseable master2) country / patriot
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link
It also has one of the more indelibly brilliant, if unknowable female leads on television.Rochambeau?
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
Damnit I only just started getting back into the Expanse, I might have to give this a go now
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:43 (three years ago) link
The other other other thing it does amazingly is capture the existential despair of office life in a humorous way but still anxiety provoking.I would say that anyone watching this owes it to themselves to at least watch until you get to the Leslie backstory episode; how they fill that character in is amazing.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link
BTW! the guy who plays dorky Dennis is the showrunner's brother and one gets the distinct sense looking at their bios that the Tavner family dynamic is drawn from their lived experience.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:46 (three years ago) link
aaaaaand i see NA covered that upthread, my bad
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
kurtwood smith is amazing in this show. it's crazy he's not in more stuff.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
the most stress i felt watching the show was related to john having to fulfill his office duties, not his "real" duties. it felt a lot like those dreams of being back in college but totally unfamiliar with the course material and the final exam is that afternoon
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
i guess he acts regularly but he should get more leading roles in good shows/moviesxpost
― na (NA), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
the show is pretty stressful, given that the plot is a chain of things going successively wronger and wronger
― na (NA), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
#jellyfish, only true patriot heads know
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:53 (three years ago) link
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
the "pin fastened pam flats" schtick suggests that john is missing some integral part of understanding his world and is masquerading his way through by hurting everyone around him... which he is! but i know that's a fear that pops up in my mind regularly and i guess it's pretty common. the show captures it well.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
I think I made this thread to force me to go watch season 2. General consensus seems to be that it's not as good as the heights of 1 but still consistently strong?
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:55 (three years ago) link
that alienation one feels at a team meeting in which everyone seems to understand some hot new corporate catchphrase or acronym except you xp
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iPf_T7OYdo
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yo2ZYAdxa4
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link
I was today years old when i found out that Michale Dorman aka the lead in Patriot is also the lead in the apple tv show "For All Mankind" which is created by Battlestar Galactica's Ronald D Moore, so maybe I will watch that.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
Yes, forks, season two both is very good and expands upon themes that you seem to appreciate (the abusive father narrative becomes even more foregrounded). Watch!
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
Cool.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link
imo s2 was a slight step down but just bc s1 is so perfect. s2 also felt sadder than s1.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
I'd definitely stick with it through more than the first episode. one thing i love about it is it sets up characters as a stock "type" (kurtwood smith as leslie, chris conrad as dennis) then you start to learn more layers to them as they open up
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
Leslie has a podcast concerning his Structural Dynamics of Flow book: https://www.lgclaret.com/podcast
"Think back to the last time you ram-chawed a partial chim set. Standard, right? We've been ram-chawing chims since the aqueducts of Ancient Rome, hey. But what if I told you that's the basis for the empire's collapse?
Hello, I'm Leslie Claret. I'd like to invite you to join countless others who have come to rely on the lessons and explorations of my book to form a deeper understanding of our shared world, with relative specificity to the field application of surface and suppressed surface delivery engineering."
― SA, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
oh wow
― na (NA), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
holy shit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
Four hours of this stuff! And the last one came out this week!
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
It's like listening to a guided meditation podcast or something. Soothing.
― SA, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
My attempt to sell it in 280 characters or less:
I am some years late to this but PATRIOT is a phenomenal TV series, just a perfect bleak comedy about depression and murder and family and love and the baroque incompetence of the American intelligence services. Brilliantly written, directed and acted. Amazing stuff. pic.twitter.com/OU85VS0XPy— Caustic Cover Critic đź“š (@Unwise_Trousers) March 17, 2021
Just finished series 1 yesterday. Amazing show.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link
one thing i love about it is it sets up characters as a stock "type" (kurtwood smith as leslie, chris conrad as dennis) then you start to learn more layers to them as they open up
― Clem McFlannery's Clam Phlegm Cannery (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 23:01 (three years ago) link
I don't know if I've come across a straight answer on this one, but: is all of the piping jargon complete bullshit?
― Clem McFlannery's Clam Phlegm Cannery (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 23:03 (three years ago) link
Yes.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 23:05 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link
(there's even a few specific fake phrases being lifted from the retro/turbo encabulator for Leslie's jargon)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkH20fNavoI
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link
It's like the creators wanted this to be a cult show. Or maybe they realized it would work best as a cult show? We found the trailer pretty off putting and didn't get around to watching the show for months as a result. Bad trailer and a forgettable, hard to search show name and an unknown cast isn't a great recipe for popularity. But the cult is growing as well it should.
― that's not my post, Thursday, 18 March 2021 05:26 (three years ago) link
The dead seriousness with which they spout off the fake piping jargon sales pitches is just brilliant. And the regretful tone of the interwoven interviews from the government investigation after everything goes jellyfish, that's top notch.
― that's not my post, Thursday, 18 March 2021 05:32 (three years ago) link
And did we talk about Lakeman's songs?
― that's not my post, Thursday, 18 March 2021 05:33 (three years ago) link
The song as he attempts to steal the gun from the poor Senegalese guy, that whole one-shot sequence; just brilliant.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 18 March 2021 11:05 (three years ago) link
Just starting S2 and this is great but there is way too much peeing, also - and this is really grouchy - but the artful, check-my-record-collection track choices are jarring, I feel like they're unconnected from the story most times.
― Maresn3st, Friday, 19 March 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
Some very goofy moments in season 2. But it stays pretty cool.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 19 March 2021 22:42 (three years ago) link
Thereis a hilarious peeing scene in ins2ep4
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 20 March 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
Just finished S1 and I feel like I should just curl up for a while before going on.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Saturday, 20 March 2021 00:47 (three years ago) link
heh
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 March 2021 02:07 (three years ago) link
So what do we think about the fact that pretty much everything about Europe in this is bullshit?
I first noticed this when my wife, who is French, went "wtf is a rochambeau" and after googling I discovered only americans call it that. Was also surprised to hear Luxemburg has a sizable Brazilian immigrant population and a friend dug up an article from a LX paper that revealed that a) no, it doesn't and b) pretty much everything the show says about the city is bullshit, also it was filmed in Prague and takes no care whatsoever to conceal this. From thereon I started to get skeptical towards everything and while I haven't researched everything, come on, how likely is it that this procedure for supermarket owners to get guns isn't bullshit?
I'm not saying all of this as a criticism, per se - it works nicely for a show that is about deception, and dovetails with the idea of US agents in over their heads because they don't actually understand any other cultures. Gotta say that when they got to the Romani boy that was kind of crossing a line for me, tho - fine to make up immigration demographics or laws but I'd rather they didn't play into some pretty prevailing and harmful stereotypes. And in the first encounter you could always just assume they're mistaken, but second time confirmed it was very much a thing?
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 9 April 2021 09:56 (three years ago) link
I want to believe Luxembourg's management of evidence is a game of hot potato and everyone walks around going "c'est cool."
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:00 (three years ago) link
Haha, fwiw "cool" is a frequently used word amongst French speakers.
Also willing to believe there's a folk tent in Boom, of course there'd fucking be.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 9 April 2021 11:07 (three years ago) link
While the show addresses real human issues and relationships, it essentially does so through a prism of pure fantasy. I mean, if you approach pretty much any aspect of the show from a 'hey, that's not what ____ is like in real life!' POV, it's never gonna pass muster.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:11 (three years ago) link
This show was already pretty dang funny, and if i was a Luxembourgian process engineer I'd probably think it was the most hysterical thing that ever happened.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they did zero research on the CIA before making this show. And that's okay, and here's why.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:46 (three years ago) link
Can't believe they're still making that podcast lol
I watched both seasons recently and enjoyed them but season 2 felt off a bit. A little bit short on ideas and the dialogue was sometimes lazy. Still some great moments there though. My favorite scenes are every time Leslie talks to John in S1. There's such a palpable disgust from Leslie, I start laughing before he even says anything
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link
i liked the whole structural dynamics of flow thing going on, the show’s macguffin being about the intrinsic difficult of getting something from a to b (the cash) and the fact that the piping designed to deliver it (the people, the plans, the social relations, the sadness, the loss, the places) creates entire complex (non a-b) situations of strange events and behaviour in “normal” contexts.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 06:42 (three years ago) link
would you believe they're STILL making that podcast?https://www.lgclaret.com/podcast/episode/37e0a001/episode-six-the-caracas-blackouts
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 December 2021 16:02 (two years ago) link
hahahaha awesome
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 13 December 2021 16:30 (two years ago) link
Started watching the show this week, inspired by the revive (I'd never heard of it) - thank you ILE!
― willem, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
Four episodes in and loving this. Michael Dorman may have the most amazing face since yesterday’s birthday boy Buster Keaton.
― Rated “Blecchs” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 October 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OK83DW4AYVEie.jpgThink about 'Afternoon Spray' a lot. I really should rewatch this.
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 October 2022 04:09 (one year ago) link
Still need to tell my story about the other guy there.
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2022 23:34 (one year ago) link
Getting towards the end of S1. The ladies just shared a rental car from the airport. It’s kind of amazing to me how despite the quirkiness it’s really well plotted and paced so that I am pretty much constantly on the edge of my seat. Now Leslie is making his speech about the sun and the planets.
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2022 23:39 (one year ago) link
Man, Leslie is as misanthropic as a Jim Thompson sheriff.
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2022 23:44 (one year ago) link
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 00:14 (one year ago) link
I know how you feel. You’re just human. “Hello, club member.”
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
TS glass blower vs. puppeteer
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link
On to Season Two.
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 18:59 (one year ago) link
And now on the far side of The Vantasner Danger Meridian.
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 October 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link
Re the beef with greg12: the original lyrics of "Pancho and Lefty" say "only let him hang around" in the first chorus and later on it's "go so wrong" instead of "go so long" is that it? It's not just Willie and Merle though, also Emmylou Harris which is maybe who they heard it from iirc.
― We Have Never Been Secondary Modern (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link
Not sure what I can watch next that can measure up to this.
― (We're Not) The Experimental Jet Set (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 November 2022 00:06 (one year ago) link
amazinghttps://www.newtechniquesinmodernpracticalclosecombat.com/
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 21:10 (one year ago) link
pretty good show
― buzza, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 09:12 (one year ago) link
Double good imo
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 10:43 (one year ago) link
I'm three episodes into this show and enjoying it a lot. It has a weird admixture of vibes - my friend described it to me as "Wes Anderson does James Bond" which put me off it for a while. It has higher stakes for me than any Wes Anderson movie, though I can see where he gets that vibe. The opening in S1 E3 detailing Leslie's backstory is such a punch. I feel like things are converging toward an epic fuckup.
― Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link
Epic fuck ups incoming. Such a great show. One by one we’ll get everyone to see it.
― that's not my post, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link
your friend isn't wrong necessarily but i would sidestep wes anderson in favor of maybe like The Daniels
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link
(and yes, "epic fuckup" is actually underselling what's coming)
There's a lot about this show that I love and am impressed by but, as time goes by, I think I'm most impressed by how much it coasts on pure chutzpah. Like they give zero fucks about how anything (CIA operations, industrial piping, international criminal investigations, etc.) actually works in real life. They whipped up total nonsense that sounded good and committed to it 100%. It's all just window dressing for the real themes of the show anyway so why not.
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
The conference talk might be my favorite scene from any show ever
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 02:33 (one year ago) link
omghfs Kurtwood Smith in this
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:50 (one year ago) link
(just finished S01E03)
He only gets better.
― Huey “Piano” Smithers-Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 February 2023 00:24 (one year ago) link
We’re ready to start S2. Great show.
― and my soul would smack me if I didn’t listen (PBKR), Sunday, 26 February 2023 05:33 (one year ago) link
Here is my promised story about the co-composer of “Afternoon Spray.”
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 March 2023 22:50 (one year ago) link
Once evening I got text from a friend saying: “James Redd, do you know who Syd Straw is?”
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 March 2023 22:51 (one year ago) link
Which of course is like asking a question about a bear or a pope.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 March 2023 22:52 (one year ago) link
My friend proceeded to tell me that he had recently met her at a dinner party and that she had told a story about her significant other, Boone, who played a tough guy on a television show (Sons of Anarchy?) and kind of had that look when he was out and about in real life so people were constantly challenging him to fights.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 March 2023 22:55 (one year ago) link
Which I knew about first hand since one day I had a meeting with Paul Lukas of Uni Watch about something at the Grandaisy Bakery near the Holland Tunnel. I noticed that Syd Straw was sitting there with some guy in a bowling shirt who seemed to be scowling at me. I told her I recognized her and said hello and she introduced me to her friend Boone.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 March 2023 22:58 (one year ago) link
So I really appreciated his teddy bear quality in this.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 March 2023 22:59 (one year ago) link
Finally finished Season 2 of Patriot and honestly thought it was a bit of a slog. Not nearly up to the
Complaints included:
-The need to bring back every S1 minor character for brief and inconsequential cameos.-John turning even more into The Terminator, ignoring multiple major wounds, etc. This was carried over from S1, but was just over the top in S2.-Continued pulled football where you think John/Tom are going to have a moment where they realize what all this is doing to John, but nothing ever comes of it. Nothing.-Why are we supposed to care about John in the end? Because he sings bad twee songs? He is a terrible person, especially terrible to his wife (like actually emotionally abusive).
Is the show just an allegory about American interventionism?
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Friday, 21 April 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
Second sentence should read: Not nearly up to the level of S1 (or at least S1 exhausted everything the show had).
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Friday, 21 April 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
Also, Leslie way more interesting character than John. I want the Leslie Claret show.
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Friday, 21 April 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
These are all fair points.
― The Titus Andromedon Strain (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 April 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link