https://open.spotify.com/playlist/15HiKjAnUuAymWdqejOTcP
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
i love to make fun of wite people
we fucking suck and deserve so much worse
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:33 (three years ago) link
Weird, I saw that playlist somewhere else recently too. They got the wrong Bon Jovi song at the end though. Shot Through the Heart was an album track on the self-titled debut. Whoever made this list probably meant to put on You Give Love a Bad Name off of Slippery When Wet, which starts off with the lyric "Shot through the heart and you're to blame".
― peace, man, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
Ok, wait. They did get You Give Love a Bad Name on there too. Who the fuck likes Shot Through the Heart?
― peace, man, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
Was it in a video game or something?
― peace, man, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
TIL that Bon Jovi already had a song called “Shot Through The Heart” before they made YGLABN.
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
true story: I spent my entire life until my mid 20s having never heard Sweet Caroline with a crowd. not really sure I’d even heard the entire song before
i’m standing around at a music festival and the house music starts playing it as the tent gets crowded, and it becomes a singalong. i’m mystified!
― mh, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPkNBo4_rpM
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link
ruuuuuuuuun
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
So good!
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
White people are also really scary, don't know if anyone itt mentioned it but they/we are
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
I'm a ghooooost
― imago, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link
I'm willing to bet that there's a non-negligible number of white people who would shoot someone without hesitation for claiming that there are no 'ba ba ba's in the original recording of 'Sweet Caroline'
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link
I'm not sure I've ever heard 'Sweet Caroline'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:07 (three years ago) link
Also I'm pretty sure only 2-3 of those songs would make me mildly turnt provided I had like 8-9 pints in me.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
Ok I just looked up 'Sweet Caroline' and I think I've come across the chorus before but it may just be a case of faux déjà vu.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link
pom, have u heard 'Heartlight', if so then 'Sweet Caroline' is basically just 'Heartlight' except not about E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:14 (three years ago) link
Sampling 'Heartlight' as we speak – I had not heard it, no. In fact I couldn't name a single Neil Diamond song until a few minutes ago.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
Turn on your heartlight(BA BA BAAAA!)Let it shine wherever you go(YOU GO! YOU GO! YOU GO! YOU GO!)
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
list seems to be missing “What’s Up” by 4 Non Blondes
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
Weird, I saw that playlist somewhere else recently too.
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
missing "Torn" "Stay" and "Humpty Dance"
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link
What about the Byrds, "Turnt Turnt Turnt"?
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:44 (three years ago) link
If being turnt for "Don't You Want Me" is wrong I don't wanna be right
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
or white
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
i get irrationally embarrassed when people do this in public. tbr i think it's a version of liberal brainworms. ultimately whiteness is an ideology, not a person. though of course some fair-skinned people stump for it hard. and idk, liking some songs is actually not a problem? whereas working in finance or being an 'entrepreneur' or enjoying a high standard of living is... actively stumping for the ideology of whiteness. but that stuff is a lot harder to make fun of then 'sweet caroline' or whatever.
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link
when parsing out whiteness, richness, maleness, etc., i think it's important to know when one is being made fun of while the others are being affirmed in the background because it makes the whole organism more resilient, if that makes any sense.
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Monday, 5 April 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
not everyone is cut out for self-hatred. you have to build toward it
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 April 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link
sweeeet ca ro liiiine hey hey what get laid get fucked
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 April 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link
Good wedding playlists itt
― your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
it's a ... nice day for a....
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:19 (three years ago) link
map thanks for articulating something I couldn't quite put my finger on
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:22 (three years ago) link
I've never understood why people like Sweet Caroline so much, it's such a blah song to me.
There's a steakhouse near our main office that we always have to go to where there's some kind of schtick around the piano player singing that song and then everyone throwing napkins up in the air or something? I don't remember exactly.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:30 (three years ago) link
That melody -- "SWEET CAR-O-LINE," it's so ham-fisted. Like actually playing a piano with two big hams.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:31 (three years ago) link
Hey, Neil Diamond is only as god made him: a man with two giant fists of ham.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:40 (three years ago) link
thicc hams on a hot august night
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:41 (three years ago) link
Neil Diamond understood his job and delivered the goods, much as Barry Manilow did. They wrote the songs, they wrote the songs.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 04:00 (three years ago) link
I have funny associations with Neil Diamond, because: he looks a little like my dad; my dad was once a cantor; in The Jazz Singer, Neil Diamond plays a cantor turned pop star; we watched The Jazz Singer in hebrew school, at the synagogue where my dad was a cantor; and my dad's polish immigrant father famously (in my family lore) told him he should become a rock singer and "play the bing bing" instead of becoming a cantor.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 04:25 (three years ago) link
I’ve only heard people sing “Sweet Caroline” at Fenway Park.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 05:42 (three years ago) link
and don't they do it at Fenway because it was depicted in some crappy movie?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:19 (three years ago) link
I have some very obvious issues with equating "whiteness" with "wanting/enjoying a high standard of living" or "being an entrenpreneur"
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link
On the contrary, I do understand why people like "Sweet Caroline" so much. It's actively irritating and awful.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:56 (three years ago) link
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:49 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Definitely, although I don't think map meant that exactly? They can speak for themselves but the characterization of cultural touchpoints like popular songs as representative of a whole identity package...I'm struggling to rephrase it but I feel like I know what map is talking about? Liking a banal (or a good, or a bad!) song isn't the problem. The center of the problem lies somewhere in all the intersecting privileges and identities that it connotes.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:11 (three years ago) link
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:49 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
This is such a can of worms, but I really dislike those "whiteness"/"white culture" graphics/charts that do what you are describing. Whatever the more nuanced intentions (as per what laurel is describing), the effect is still to give whiteness a monopoly on many traits and values that many non-white people may in fact consider positive, and to essentialize non-whiteness and associate it with many traits that, not too long ago, would actually have been considered racist to tie to non-whiteness.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:28 (three years ago) link
i.e. things like thishttps://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1610610/smithsonian-aspects-white-culture.webp?w=790&f=ab12077631acab2dac02fd587b3f4f15
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:29 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing map meant that capitalism is ultimately a white supremacist ideology due to its Eurocolonialist roots. I think this is a historically correct assessment but harder to argue the closer we draw to the present moment.
xp 'the effect is still to give whiteness a monopoly on many traits and values that many non-white people may in fact consider positive' – yes, and it is in fact tremendously condescending, even insulting. This kind of ties into what I was saying: there's a tendency to argue that because x comes from y, which is/was bad, then x must also be bad. The pinnacle of essentialism.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
Like it was once racist to say "people of color are lazy," and that graphic basically says "Yes, that's true, but what if laziness isn't bad? And if people of color aren't lazy it's because they've internalized white culture due to it being dominant."
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:33 (three years ago) link
People can disparage white people all they like but disparaging Neil Diamond is not on.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:39 (three years ago) link
OK wow that graphic is a lot to unpack. Initial baseline impression: I probably soft-agree or can see why they're making a case for most of those points taken societally but also I can see that many individual ppl may have or believe in some of those qualities as generally "good" on an individual level.
xxp I think that's a possible initial reading but that the creator is telling us to look deeper--the emphasis on productivity over quality of life, the contempt for those who don't want to make or take more than is needed, a collective valuing of more-ness over sufficiency...those are things that white supremacist patriarchal capitalism encourages us to value, as opposed to cultures we supplanted that valued harmony, sufficiency, collective wellness, cooperation, etc.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:40 (three years ago) link
I feel like it would be more helpful to describe some of those things as capitalist than "white," i.e. associate them with ideology rather than race.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:42 (three years ago) link