Vaccines, Infrastructure, and Kids In Cages: US Politics April 2021

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that's not similar? this is a proposal to give money (by tax credit!!!! not even money!) to employers. your dad's company paid employees cash to get vaccinated.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link

xp My understanding is that employer bribes to get employees vaccinated are generally preferable to mandates, both from a legal and efficacy standpoint.

I am assuming the payment is by tax credit to avoid R opposition.

i bought biden some thin mints with my stimmy (PBKR), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:32 (three years ago) link

Well, it's not so much as "paying cash to get vaccinated" as it is not making you lose a sick or vacation day for the time required to get one.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link

that's not similar? this is a proposal to give money (by tax credit!!!! not even money!) to employers. your dad's company paid employees cash to get vaccinated.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, April 21, 2021

I meant the day off part. The rest is just context.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link

the federal govt is granting admin leave of up to 4 hours for vaccinations

Heez, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link

they can write stimulus/vaccine bribe checks without a single republican vote.

i don't know if there are legal problems with them being de facto mandates but i've seen a few elected democrats suggest this, so possibly not.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link

i would suggest that his reflexive attempt to be part of the solution by means of half-assedly posting misquotes from the family of the deceased suggests that his view of the problem is that

a)it's something he thinks he understands
b)it's something he can contribute to fixing
c)it's something he thinks he and his family might have some culpability for, even if only in the court of public opinion

whether or not he's right about that isn't my concern, it's his (and others) willingness to co-opt the few moments where the courts get it right and hold them up as proof of change or justice in lieu of actually getting behind meaningful action with policy lobbying, financial support, statements that might prove unpopular to his base consumers, i.e. doing the actual work.

I'm not exactly "starting" there, just taking a lot of presumptive points into account while discussing it. What do you think I'm missing here?

c is the leap. I would bet every dollar I own that he does not think that he and his family are part of the problem. In fact, I would assume that he believes his position in society uniquely allows him to be the solution, and his idea to contributing to the solution is "I'm a powerful person so if I say this is a good thing, others will believe me and then more good things will happen*". That's why he's resistant to taking the tweet down; now that he's explained what it ACTUALLY means, surely everyone can now agree that it's magnifying this good thing that we want more of and therefore racism is over.

* because of magical thinking

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link

yeah, maybe! I could be ascribing more perspective to this guy as a strawman than he deserves; i don't really know him like that.

i would argue that white america in general is aware on a level that they don't really want to acknowledge that violence in policing and institutional racism is an us and not a them problem economically, socially, culturally, ethically, morally but that really confronting what that means requires giving up power. people don't give up power so there's a lot of deluded dudes.

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link

rather than a godawful paraphrase.

That happens to be an exact quote from the shirts worn by pro-cop demonstrators after Eric Garner's murder.

We need Mike Davis and Matt Gertz to start a podcast

Naomi Klein as first guest.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link

Rep. Ted Lieu just asked the U.S. Special Envoy for Yemen, Tim Lenderking, whether the U.S. is currently supporting any Saudi operations in Yemen. Lenderking says he's "not totally in that information loop."

— Alex Emmons (@AlexEmmons) April 21, 2021

Remember when we were going to stop supporting genocide in Yemen?

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link

What loops are ya in, buddy?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:11 (three years ago) link

Maybe the special envoy to Yemen needs a special envoy to Yemen.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link

A propos of nothing, one of our crackpot neighbors told me today he's very invested in the recount ("recount") in Arizona, which I had to google to even find out existed. He thinks it's going to be "verrry interesting" to see what the repercussions of said recount will be.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 22:29 (three years ago) link

I suppose you can keep this kind of thing up forever. "When the papers from the Trump administration are declassified in 2032, it's going to be verrrrrrry interesting ..."

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 22:34 (three years ago) link

Yellen says "private capital will need to fill most of that gap" to tackle the "existential threat" of climate change

So far, the Biden admin has not put a price on the govt's commitment

In a speech, Yellen indicates heavy reliance on private capital

— Saleha Mohsin (@SalehaMohsin) April 21, 2021

Who better to fix what’s broken than the people who broke it to start with?

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link

"Arizona Recount" reminds me of the semi-mythical Durham Report that they pinned their hopes on for so long, and went absolutely nowhere

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link

Arizona Recount was Dennis Hastert's favorite wrestling hold iirc.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 23:17 (three years ago) link


The law enforcement arm of the U.S. Postal Service has been quietly running a program that tracks and collects Americans’ social media posts, including those about planned protests, according to a document obtained by Yahoo News.

The details of the surveillance effort, known as iCOP, or Internet Covert Operations Program, have not previously been made public. The work involves having analysts trawl through social media sites to look for what the document describes as “inflammatory” postings and then sharing that information across government agencies.

known as iCOP

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 04:21 (three years ago) link

I cop therefore I ab

I guess that hunt getting ethan (wins), Thursday, 22 April 2021 06:05 (three years ago) link

this is good

yah

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 07:22 (three years ago) link

The law enforcement arm of the U.S. Postal Service

Is this standard?! I don't recall ever seeing the UK postie cops but maybe I wasn't looking.

take a good fucking look at yourself why don't you (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 April 2021 07:41 (three years ago) link

I have only heard of the us postal police because they arrested Steve bannon

I guess that hunt getting ethan (wins), Thursday, 22 April 2021 07:43 (three years ago) link

Same, and I am a US-er whose granddad was a postman. I feel like their existence is fairly underreported.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 April 2021 10:50 (three years ago) link

Biden Will Commit the U.S. to Halving Greenhouse Gas Emissions by 2030

good luck -- we're all counting on you

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:50 (three years ago) link

the House just voted to make DC a state.

lukas, Thursday, 22 April 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link

is there much of a chance that will pass the senate?

rob, Thursday, 22 April 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link

someone trying his damndest to win gold at the asshole olympics (assholympics?)

Senate approves bill on anti-Asian hate crimes, 94-1. GOP MO Sen Josh Hawley was the lone nay.

— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) April 22, 2021

voodoo chili, Thursday, 22 April 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link

xp only if the Dems kill the filibuster. no idea how likely that is, haven't been following that.

lukas, Thursday, 22 April 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link

Not likely any time soon, given recent public statements by Manchin and Sinema. I don't think DC statehood is the thing that would make them change their minds.

jaymc, Thursday, 22 April 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link

Scoop: In a private call, unions told the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee not to expect them to back lawmakers in upcoming races unless they get behind the PRO Act, the major labor reform bill.

"No money, no support of PRO."

w/ @eleanor_mueller https://t.co/z7atg1tMhk

— Holly Otterbein (@hollyotterbein) April 22, 2021

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 22 April 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link

I've heard arguments that votes on statehood aren't subject to the filibuster, don't know how true that is.

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 April 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link

I guess that argument may be tested now.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Thursday, 22 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link

can see manchin in particular not voting for statehood for the private reason that it would diminish his power, while saying something public about bipartisanship.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 22 April 2021 20:47 (three years ago) link

filibuster gotta go man

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 April 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link

I'm not holding my breath on that one.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Thursday, 22 April 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link

Manchin = Filibuster Poindexter

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 April 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link

feelin' not not not

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 23 April 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link

feel like bricks would have to be thrown in important districts, shit burned, and cars flipped for the filibuster to go, but shrug.

Hunt3r, Friday, 23 April 2021 02:22 (three years ago) link

A return to an actual filibuster would be an improvement on the current situation wouldn't it.
But that is probably a false positive. Like only being forced to hit yourself in the face half as much.
Like what's with these people especially Sinema.

Stevolende, Friday, 23 April 2021 07:17 (three years ago) link

Manchin feinted toward the talking filibuster and then backed away immediately, safe to assume it's dead. Their deal is that the progressive elements of Biden's campaign promises don't suit their donors' desires and their egos are stroked by playing god. (They're also convenient fallguys for things centrist Democrats don't really support or care about but have to pretend to care about to not get yelled at.)

Sinema and Romney are collaborating on an $11 minimum wage bill, which will be a fun test for House progressives. Jayapal has already pointed to it and expressed her objection but I would assume they'll cave in the end.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 23 April 2021 07:29 (three years ago) link

the whole thing’s fucking stupid. biden and the democrats have a mandate. in other countries when you control a majority in parliament and control the executive, you get to pass your agenda as long as you can whip your members. it’s embarrassing that the simple process of passing laws is so broken. it’s even got a stupid word to describe it that sounds like it comes from a mark twain novel.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 April 2021 07:46 (three years ago) link

Take the "win" on $11 and then start pushing for $20.

keto keto bonito v industry plant-based diet (PBKR), Friday, 23 April 2021 11:09 (three years ago) link

"live in poverty for another twenty years until climate crises displace you from your home and you're forced to travel the roads, eating scraps dumped from the walled communities of the very rich, who gawk and laugh at you from behind the sights of their private security force's rifles."

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 23 April 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link

Meanwhile, a new (double mutant) variant has been found in India, and they are continuing to allow over fifty flights a day to potentially import this, just as with the Kent and Brazilian and South African variants that now make up effectively 100% of new infections.

― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:14 AM (fifteen hours ago)

oh never mind, it's here now so there's no point in trying to restrict or mitigate it, that's only been an effective strategy in every country that's tried it and has been back to normal life for ten months

lol remember when there was a new variant in India and then it turned out to be double mutant and that was six days ago and people were already dying so fast that two out of six chimneys melted at one crematorium, and the US kept flights coming from India?

good times. let's now all think about the new triple mutant variant, detected as India passes a million new cases in four days. (That's 7% of all their reported* cases to date, in the last four days.)

India is already facing a huge spurt in Covid-19 cases and many health experts point out the presence of double mutant as the reason. The news of the triple mutant is only going to add to the existing problems.

The triple mutation means a combination of three different Covid-19 strains to form a new variant and states like West Bengal, Maharashtra, and Delhi are believed to have cases driven by this mutant, reported NDTV News.

Madhukar Pai, professor of epidemiology at McGill University, told NDTV that: “This is a more transmissible variant. It is making lots of people sick very quickly. We have to keep tweaking vaccines. For that we need to understand the disease. But we need sequencing on war footing.”

* Their numbers have not been necessarily trustworthy to date. But they're admitting to 2,000 deaths a day now.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 23 April 2021 12:15 (three years ago) link

Paul Tambyah, a professor of medicine at the National University of Singapore, said that the good news, however, is that there is currently no concrete evidence that the new triple mutation is more deadly or transmissible.

"Singapore researchers have done some work trying to link the mutations with clinical outcomes and transmissibility and have found no link between more severity or more transmissibility with newer mutants compared with the original lineages of SARS-CoV2," Tambyah said.

Other scientists studying COVID have detected quadruple and quintuple mutants in samples as well, he said, without it necessarily affecting how well vaccines work.

"There is good data suggesting that the immune system, not just antibodies, can respond to multiple different mutants," Tambyah said.

quadruple and quintuple mutants

https://www.theonion.com/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-1819584036

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 April 2021 12:36 (three years ago) link

so it’s more transmissible and there’s also no evidence that it’s more transmissible. got it

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 April 2021 12:40 (three years ago) link

Plan accordingly.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 April 2021 12:44 (three years ago) link

One year ago today. Memories.

"The disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. It gets in the lungs" -- Trump seems to suggests that injecting disinfectant inside people could be a treatment for the coronavirus pic.twitter.com/amis9Rphsm

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 23, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link


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