Israel to World: "Suck It."

"It was smart of Barlow to smoke out the bullies."

That would have been smart, especially wrt Rogen

The way Barlow phrased “my Jewish friend” made me assune she wasn’t Jewish.

The Twitter line of attack on Eve Barlow is to call her ‘Eve Fartlow’. It’s not much of a pun; perhaps it originates in a subliminal association about Jews and the release of gas.

Run that one by me again...

he writes widely on the farts

the fartlow effect

Usage of "Eve Fartlow" online has nearly quadrupled since the publication of the article complaining about people using it. pic.twitter.com/ivfo5OIAl6

— Jared Holt (@jaredlholt) May 27, 2021

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1928/8045/products/DonaldTrump-FuckfaceVonClownstick_480x480.png?v=1600185488

indeed

i'm disinclined to agree with Shari Vari that this woman is acting purely out of a genuinely felt racist hysteria and thus not a troll. There may be some truth to this but I get a genuine sense that this is somebody who is angling to provoke controversy and outrage and ride up higher in the algorithm as a result. Primarily though it gives me an actual bodily feeling of disgust that in the context of such horrific events someone has managed to make for themselves such a spectacle of their own attention-seeking tandrum and calculated outrage.

The trivialising comparisons that she and her defenders have made between being called'fartlow' and centuries of antisemitically motivated atrocities of have for me and others I think laid bare the inherent cynicism in how this accusation is currently being used by some parties to discredit any support for the situation faced by palestinians. any statement or action of support will be met with this kind of accusation and i think the fartlow brigade have weirdly been very successful in provoking such a ridiculous escalation in a way that is quite illustrative. rather than bullying maybe we should call it satire.

For sure, most of the people who are retweeting her now are cynical as hell. Most of the people retweeting her during her deranged attacks on Corbyn were cynical as hell too. She ostensibly ‘fled the U.K.’ eight or nine years ago, because she thought she, and the Jewish community, were in imminent danger, though, so this doesn’t seem like clear-cut opportunism to me, idk.

Yeah you may well be right, tbh accounting for the motives underlying any of this feels ridiculously futile and way beyond my imagination.

I m not convinced that grift is not at least partially behind her original article

Maybe she reckons we need a Scottish Bari Weiss?

Here is Seth on the Spectator

Hahaha. Fuck these assholes.

— Seth Rogen (@Sethrogen) May 29, 2021

strange times!

Twitter times. I've got to congratulate ILX for drawing attention to this insane nonsense, I mean I've heard of Seth Rogen but the rest of these clowns...

... drawing my attention...

Tom - always here for your twitter needs

I think Seth is wrong to be so horribly rude to The Spectator just because they ran a pro-Nazi/Wehrmacht piece, people have different opinions in life after all and the discourse should be much more civil!

Seth please don't cyber-bully or engage Dominic Green, he is only trolling (in the Aimless sense of the word).

it is somewhat satisfying to have a bit of wider attention drawn to the outrightly fascist editorial line of the spectator since at home frasier nelson can just go on bbc and say 'no we didn't publish that' as the counterbalance in an unbiased system

just waiting for James Franco to call Kieth a goddamn douche next!

She ostensibly ‘fled the U.K.’ eight or nine years ago, because she thought she, and the Jewish community, were in imminent danger, though, so this doesn’t seem like clear-cut opportunism to me, idk.

― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 28 May 2021 bookmarkflaglink

There is something else going on there, but it's like you just deal with the person: if they are going to be racist, deny people their right to exist I am not going spend too long thinking about how they ended up there than that's where they are at.

Absolutely, as an individual she’s neither noteworthy or interesting but the radicalisation, where the presence of Muslims in public life / expressions of solidarity with the oppressed are seen as a genuine existential threat, is pretty revealing of how those hatreds and fears have been nurtured and legitimised over the last couple of decades.

it is revealing that none of that need apply specifically to jews. also of how a professed concern for the safety of jews, and for women and gay people (and, increasingly over here, for hindus) has helped normalise a basically völkisch ideology within spaces that might (from a naive POV) be expected to be more wary of that sort of thing

plax otm it shouldn’t fall to yank stoner/no homo comedy actor bros to point out the explicit fascism of our PM’s former organ but here we are

LOL she's from Giffnock, the Glasgow Jewish community being what it is, I almost certainly know people who know her or are related to her.

Apparently she's also Amber Heard's bestie?

Eight or nine years ago, around the time of the last Gaza flareup, and the move by Ed Miliband to recognise Palestine/a two-state solution? That’s the genesis of the rift between centrish British Jewish people and Labour.

Anyway, that silly woman and her paranoid narcissism can get in the sea. Apparently she was friends with AH but AH cut her off?

I'd like to see ol Bibi wriggle out of this jam!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-widely-expected-to-announce-formation-of-govt-with-lapid-sunday/

Looks like the Arab parties will, for the first time, be part of a governing coalition.

I mean unless ol Bibi wriggles out of this jam.

one of the arab parties will be, anyway...I don't know how active in the coalition they'd be, don't think they're getting any cabinet positions. I thought this interview with the only Jewish MK in Hadash/Joint List, Ofer Cassif, was very interesting:

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/05/ofer-cassif-knesset-israel-palestine-occupation

He was brutalized by police protesting the evictions, and is capable of describing the horrors of occupations forthrightly, unlike the "Zionist Left."

Do you not consider B’Tselem part of the zionnist left?

do you? I put a lot of trust in their reporting, but I don't think they describe themselves as zionist (https://www.btselem.org/about_btselem) and I don't think any self-avowed zionists would describe them as zionist either...(https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-denounces-btselem-chiefs-un-speech-as-full-of-lies/)

By Zionist Left I guess I meant Labor, and their institutional remnants in Israeli govt and media.

OK. I’m sorry, but all these profiles of Bennett as prime minister and handing-out of medals to the architects of Bibi’s downfall feels a tad premature. I don’t want to depress anyone, but this is the most difficult coalition to build in Israel’s history and it’s far from done.>

— Anshel Pfeffer אנשיל פפר (@AnshelPfeffer) May 30, 2021

do you? I put a lot of trust in their reporting, but I don't think they describe themselves as zionist (https://www.btselem.org/about_btselem) and I don't think any self-avowed zionists would describe them as zionist either...(https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-denounces-btselem-chiefs-un-speech-as-full-of-lies/)

By Zionist Left I guess I meant Labor, and their institutional remnants in Israeli govt and media.

― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Sunday, May 30, 2021 7:18 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I do yeah, don't really care how Netanyahu and his hard right factions describes them to be honest. Nor do I think their description is really against the notion of jewish self-determination in their homeland.

from the article I linked:

The leader of the opposition Yesh Atid party, MK Yair Lapid, tweeted that “B’Tselem’s speech at the UNSC was a predictable mix of lies, distortions and propaganda. They represent no-one but themselves.”

But this is essentially a semantic argument about the meaning of the term "zionist". I think your usage is idiosyncratic. But if there's anyone else in the world who classifies Btselem as a zionist organization, please let me know.

B'Tselem CEO:

Superb q&a with @NathanThrall in @jacobin: "we have to call the system of domination by its name today. ...the process is the same: backed by the state, the dominating group (Jews) takes over the land and replaces the dominated population (Palestinians)." https://t.co/ZXMTM4eIzr

— Hagai El-Ad (@HagaiElAd) May 27, 2021

The notion that jewish self determination in the homeland is a idiosyncratic understanding of zionism is a strange statement. I don't think I've ever read or heard El-Had say that he is against that.

I just think it's important to have the capacity to imagine a zionism that is against the apartheid and genocide of Palestinians.

B'Tselem is very careful on their website to describe themselves as anti-occupation, which is in no way the same thing as being anti-Zionist. I would not say they're a Zionist organization but they're obviously an organization to which Zionists can comfortably belong.

Naftali Bennett is a fascist murderer who's boasted about killing Arabs and who rushed to defend white supremacists after the Tree of Life massacre. He is a bigoted monster who, like Netanyahu, will be heralded as messiah by the vast majority of American Jewish leadership.

— Eli Valley (@elivalley) May 30, 2021

Idk I'm gonna need Megan McCain to weigh in before I can decide

Netanyahu "heralded as messiah" by the vast majority of American Jewish leadership, don't make me laugh

More accurately, Bibi is extremely popular with the CPAC wing of US evangelical Christians.

i'm very ignorant and very curious about how recent events are being discussed within the various American Jewish communities - would anyone here have any firsthand accounts they'd care to share? or can anyone recommend articles that ring true to you? i've found a couple of interesting articles by Jews who've recently come to see Israel differently, but they're mostly accounts of the authors' individual journeys. i guess like: is this something that's the subject of a growing and difficult generation gap being played out around tens of thousands of dinner tables nationwide, or still more like a very small minority of people with an essentially taboo viewpoint only explored on Twitter?

Pretty much the former.

I don't know a single Jewish person under 40 who is a Zionist, and I have many Jewish friends.

I know Jewish people under 40 who are zionists. I’m relayed to them.

Related.

I know lots of Jewish people under 40 who are Zionists but few who support Likud. The political center of gravity is Rabin and his murder is seen as a triumph for the right and a catastrophe for Zionism.