omg opening tab for later!
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 17 June 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
I read a review of a book looking into the way languages are spoken within a family if more than one language is spoken i the home. Which was talking about different family members speaking different languages with different other family members. Like the relationship between family members including which language they felt comfortable speaking to each other. Father to daughter being different to mother to son and possibly different again with the interaction between the different configurations of that grouping.Would like to know more about that. Presumably differs with each family and will have some historic reasoning behind it within the family.
I can remember hearing my dad talk 3 different languages within the space of a sentence. So wish i had that fluency. He had a tribal language, a lingua franca for the country or presumably group of countries and teh colonial language he grew up being taught. I think Luo the tribal language must sound different enough to Swahili which is very arabic influenced. & the other language was English. THink he may have had fluent French on top of that, wouldn't be surprised if that didn't stretch to at least a smattering of Spanish too.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link
that pbs video was good indeed, thanks
― burly crafty woodsman (James Harden) vs tall ethereal phantom (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:55 (two years ago) link
Nobody talking about the discovery of Indigenous children's remains in residential schools in Canada? Hope this does remain a conscious thing for people. I was mainly aware of Canadians as having a stereotype of being squeaky clean nice progressives until last year.Then was hearing a lot about racism there from people on webinars who were based there both indigenous and black populations had long standing history of it.That the |Green book needed to include entries on parts of Canada and there had been a lot of violence against indigenous. as well as attempts to have indigenous children fostered out to white families so they lost contact with their traditions etc which was an intentional policy in the 1960s
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
Residential schools in AK were the same; most rural villages are still suffering badly from the legacy of trauma and abuse and having whole generations deliberately cut off from their native language and cultural traditions.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
Stevolende, there's some talk on the Canadian politics thread.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
Genocide was enshrined into the very purpose of the Residential Schools of Canada pic.twitter.com/H9qdEzErUq— The Serfs (@theserfstv) June 24, 2021
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link
To make the connection even clearer, the line famously used by the founder of one of the first residential schools was "Kill the Indian and save the man."
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/entertainment/blackfishing-explainer-trnd/index.html
I'm mostly posting this because of how hard the picture of Iggy Thee Stallion made me laugh
― an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Thursday, 8 July 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link
yikes
― burly crafty woodsman (James Harden) vs tall ethereal phantom (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 July 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link
Is this a New Jersey
― KEEP HONKING -- I'M BOBOING (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 8 July 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link
I keep thinking about how Usher gave us Justin Bieber and T.I. gave us Iggy Azalea and it makes me shake my fist southward and shout "ATLANTA YOU WRONG FOR THIS"
― an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Thursday, 8 July 2021 20:07 (two years ago) link
Who Could Have Predicted: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/11/nation/tennessee-teacher-taught-ta-nehisi-coates-essay-poem-about-white-privilege-he-was-fired-it/
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 23:57 (two years ago) link
Besides “everyone”, I assume?
― Karl Havoc (DJP), Thursday, 15 July 2021 12:06 (two years ago) link
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/07/who-actually-gets-to-create-black-pop-culture
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 26 July 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
that piece is staggering imo
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 26 July 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link
map do you like this is revolution podcast
― criminally negligible (harbl), Monday, 26 July 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link
i will check it out!
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 26 July 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link
i think it is the episode from a couple days ago that talks about the cosby show, look on youtube. was listening to it this weekend and didn't finish because their episodes are lonnggggg but i think you would like it.
― criminally negligible (harbl), Monday, 26 July 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link
super interesting, thanks for that map
(I am bad at podcast listening but will have a look at that one)
― rob, Monday, 26 July 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link
There's a ton of Black pop culture made by people from poor backgrounds. Entire bookstore sections' worth of romance and crime novels written by and for poor Black people. But Bertrand Cooper doesn't read them, nor do the white people he's lecturing in his piece. So that just gets completely overlooked.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 July 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link
The piece might benefit from more clearly establishing that he's talking about the kinds of esteemed cultural products (HBO series, elite magazine gigs, Oscar winners, etc.) that cross over to widespread success and are therefore taken as a sign of a culture industry successfully "diversifying." I'm not convinced ignoring historically disregarded/disparaged art like romance novels means he's overlooking something crucial here
― rob, Monday, 26 July 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
Then the piece is just another part of the circle-jerking elite cultural ecosystem it purports to criticize. He’s basically a Black J.D. Vance, the way he talks about his upbringing in a way perfectly calibrated to thrill and terrify the Helen Lovejoys in the audience.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:01 (two years ago) link
cool
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link
Entire bookstore sections' worth of romance and crime novels written by and for poor Black people.
wrt crime novels there's a history of these authors dying poor and getting screwed by their white-owned publishers as well
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:20 (two years ago) link
also correct me if i'm wrong but black crime fiction, afaik, only truly shaped pop culture as we know it through its repeated reference in rap music (which, black music is deliberately excluded from this essay for probably obvious reasons)
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link
Thought this might be interesting but gave up on it after a while cos I just found it annoying
Jul
26'More Than One Way to Burn a Book'by Free Speech Champions107 followersFreeActions and Detail Panel
Event InformationA live, online, interactive event with Lionel Shriver, Tomiwa Owolade and Inaya Folarin Iman on contemporary censoriousness in literature.About this event
‘More than one way to burn a book’: literary censorship in the 21st century
Online Drop-In Event: Monday 26th July 7-8.30pm (BST)
Speakers: Lionel Shriver and Tomiwa Owolade
Host: Inaya Folarin Iman
News this month that a school in Edinburgh is to cease teaching Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird, on the grounds of its ‘white saviour narrative’, should make us ask, was Ray Bradbury right when he said, five decades ago, that “there is more than one way to burn a book, and the world is full of people running about with lit matches”?
While we may have moved on from the prudish attitudes towards sexuality and profanity which saw works like Lady Chatterley's Lover banned, it is worth pondering whether the old matches have been fully extinguished. Perhaps more overt, state censorship carried out by authoritarian regimes, such as Turkey, Hungary and Thailand, blinds us to the subtler ways in which censoriousness operates in publishing in the Anglosphere. This can manifest itself through accusations of cultural appropriation and stereotyping in the creation of characters on the page, or demands for ‘cancellation’ due to personal misdemeanours in the author’s own life.
We are delighted to be joined by two eminent speakers, the novelist and columnist Lionel Shriver and the writer and critic Tomiwa Owolade, to explore the differing threats from de jure, or legally imposed, censorship, and de facto censorship, perpetrated by individuals and private companies. We will consider whether our current cultural clashes shackle or stimulate the literary imagination and ask, is one person’s ‘censorship’ another person’s ‘sensitivity’?
Lionel Shriver: A prolific journalist with a fortnightly column in The Spectator, Lionel Shriver has written widely for the New York Times, the Guardian, the London Times, Prospect, the Financial Times, Harper’s Magazine, and many other publications. She has published the bestselling works of fiction The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047, Big Brother, So Much for That, The Post-Birthday World, and the Orange-Prize winner We Need to Talk About Kevin (a 2011 feature film starring Tilda Swinton). Her most recent novel is Should We Stay or Should We Go (2021). Her work has been translated into over 30 languages.
Tomiwa Owolade: Tomiwa is a writer and critic who lives in London. His work has appeared in the Times, Spectator, Evening Standard, Unherd, Quillette and Literary Review, among other publications. He holds degrees in English Literature from Queen Mary, University of London and University College London, and has written extensively on books, politics and racial identity.
― Stevolende, Monday, 26 July 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
99% of authors in the history of publishing have gotten screwed by their publishers and/or died poor.
Well, who the "we" in the phrase "pop culture as we know it" is, is kind of the whole fucking point (and exactly what this writer is getting wrong). This is about who's reading what, and why. No, EL Griffin's Hood Love and Loyalty is never gonna be nominated for a National Book Award, but it's not because the author didn't go to the right college.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41E7JjKKjAL.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:42 (two years ago) link
oh man, didn't realize publishing was operating at such a loss
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:43 (two years ago) link
Interesting as what? As an example of hideous anti-woke right wing garbage?
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link
One Stephen King pays for a thousand writers whose books sink to the bottom of the ocean unread. Wait till you find out how many actual copies you need to sell to have a New York Times bestseller. (Triple digits will do it.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
sometimes i feel like On Here i've read a completely different article or post. or i read too fast, but i thought he was acknowledging the existence of content produced by people from poor backgrounds and pointing out how they don't get boosted because they are presumed to be unpalatable to white people, regardless of how popular they actually are, and the big media companies can still say they are doing diversity without offending anyone important.
― criminally negligible (harbl), Monday, 26 July 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
actually delete the first sentence, i shouldn't apologize for how i read it
off topic but
John Oliver has a net worth of 30 million dollars. He could heal many wounds just with his own wealth, yet he chooses not to. It’s almost like he’s full of shit. https://t.co/QiRbLZedST— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) July 26, 2021
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 July 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
this guy has truly figured it out
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 July 2021 19:15 (two years ago) link
Charles Murray, everybody!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7QIxCNX0AQFpvV.png
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 July 2021 21:25 (two years ago) link
excellent contributions itt keep it up
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link
― criminally negligible (harbl), Monday, July 26, 2021 8:02 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
also, someone with basic reading comprehension skills would be able to tell that he is detailing his experience being the black-poorest with a double intent. yes it establishes his credentials, which is probably important considering the topic of the piece, but he also describes his experience in a way that strips it of the kind of romantic authenticity that others are capitalizing on. flattening that into the grotesquerie of "a Black JD Vance" is an impressive fart even for unperson.
i'm really curious / interested if any of the grant or application programs for minority creatives he describes will ever include a clearly defined "poor person" category.
anyway, by all means keep embedding charles murray tweets itt it is very interesting content
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 00:26 (two years ago) link
though what i would really be interested in is unperson telling us all why he hates poor people so much
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
unfortunately i was thinking about it some more while i was walking and the article would make no sense logically if the writer was unaware that there is content created by and for black people! like it kind of sounds like that's what he'd prefer to see more of.
― criminally negligible (harbl), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 01:00 (two years ago) link
anyway it's nice to see that expressed in the elite circle jerk culture ecosystem
― criminally negligible (harbl), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 01:01 (two years ago) link
ugh insert "poor" in that xpost
― criminally negligible (harbl), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 01:04 (two years ago) link
the article would make no sense logically if the writer was unaware that there is content created by and for (poor) black people! like it kind of sounds like that's what he'd prefer to see more of.
He came up with exactly one example — Moonlight, a movie with a budget of $1.5 million according to its director. If he really wanted to make the point that he wanted to see more content by poor Black creators, it would be a simple process of listing some books and saying "More like this, please." (Or allowing music to be part of the discussion.) But he's only concerned with what wins National Book Awards and what gets written up in the Atlantic.
The sentence "A decade of unprecedented interest in Black arts and letters has now passed—the greater portion of it bought with footage of people possessing Floyd’s particulars lying dead on the tar—and still you cannot walk into a bookstore to find a shelf named for Black authors raised in poverty." is absurd bullshit. First of all, the last time I went into a physical Barnes & Noble, there was no section for Black authors at all — their books were shelved alphabetically with everybody else's. But when there have been separate sections (and when I worked at Barnes & Noble 20+ years ago, there were), there's absolutely special consideration for "Black authors raised in poverty" — they call it "urban fiction," and it's books like the one I mentioned above, the kind of books this author has zero interest in promoting, by authors whose names he'll never bother to learn, because the readers of Current Affairs would never let such a thing stain their fingers, and he'd rather attack Colson Whitehead and Roxane Gay (whose name he misspells in the piece) for being rich. (I didn't know Gay came from money until reading this. It doesn't change my opinion of her work one way or the other. I used to know one of Whitehead's sisters, a little. She came to a reading I gave for my first book.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 01:27 (two years ago) link