The problem is journalists looking for click bait.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 August 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link
And here are 17 reasons why!
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 August 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link
I think most of the experts have started to coalesce now after a week of confusion. the problem is loads of non-nationally known doctors and scientists and other in the field who show up in every one of their threads going WELL AKSHUALLY.
lots of MDs spreading bad advice, including that masks are bad
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 August 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
MBs.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 August 2021 00:30 (two years ago) link
neanderthal maybe i’m dim but i don’t know what the fuck anything in that twitter thread means
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 2 August 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link
My 6 and 11 year olds are starting school in Houston soon. No mask mandate in schools, no social distancing, full classes.
Our kids are good about masking, but I don't think it's enough. But we're not about to start home schooling, so.... We kinda feel like we're forced into a shit situation.
I wish Greg Abbott would choke on a chicken bone.
― Cow_Art, Monday, 2 August 2021 02:05 (two years ago) link
Wachter didn't write this, but shared it: https://inguyun.medium.com/the-provincetown-outbreak-is-actually-good-news-if-you-are-vaccinated-93a1edd763b6
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 August 2021 04:30 (two years ago) link
and here's why
― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 August 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link
I’d like to share this gem from the email the school district sent out yesterday to all parents:
The district anticipates that as the community continues to return to pre-pandemic conditions, that the processes below will also guide the school district’s return to pre-pandemic operations.
I wrote to the school district and gave them a piece of my mind. This is what we call a return to pre-pandemic conditions? When the state is setting new records for daily cases, in the midst of an outbreak of a more dangerous variant? I made sure they know how furious I am that my daughter’s health and safety is taking a backseat to the dangerous and backward politics of Florida.
Their response was equally infuriating:
… administrators and teachers will work to foster a culture of civility and tolerance and all choices will be respected...
Why should all choices be equally respected?? The choice to put others at risk should be not only tolerated but respected?
― epistantophus, Monday, 2 August 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
"all choices respected" fuck that. I'm sorry, that's absolutely awful. I'm glad to live in a school district that takes things seriously and has no time for that anti-vaxx bullshit.
Similar to "pre-pandemic conditions", we've gotten three pieces of communication from my workplace in the last week that all say, "as we return to normal after COVID-19". Excuse me, what?
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 August 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
That language about tolerance and respect obscures the fact that the virus is an objective danger to life and health. It's the old libertarian saw about your right to choose where to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. The very nature of communicable disease is that it is a communal problem.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 2 August 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link
One school wrinkle here (speaking of punishing people for not getting vaccinated) is that at our high school, "students (and staff members) who have been vaccinated and are exposed to COVID-19, will not need to quarantine as long as they remain asymptomatic. Currently, Oak Park Public Health is requiring 14 days of quarantine for unvaccinated persons who are exposed to the virus, regardless of whether they are symptomatic. We want to do all we can to limit lost instructional time this year, and so the benefits of vaccinations to keep students in our classrooms cannot be understated. Guidelines from the state board of education make it clear that we will not have hybrid learning this school year for students who are at home. And while we are working to provide remote support structures to help students who are quarantined, zooming into a class from home will not be an option."
So basically, if you are unvaxxed and exposed to Covid, you could really be academically fucked. If someone in a classroom tests positive, then anyone unvaxxed in that class or social/sport/whatever circle will have to hit the bricks for two weeks. Which is how it was the past half year, more or less, but that was with the option of at-home learning, and the school is providing a lot less wiggle room on that front going forward than they did in the recent past.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 August 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link
Eh, if it is someone who chose not to vaccinate but otherwise could be, that's a good policy. Fuck 'em. They should lose access to school for putting others at risk. We need more consequences. Presumably there is wiggle room in this policy for those who simply cannot get vaxxed, or some other accommodations.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 August 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
Yeah, that's what I mean. Don't want to get vaxxed? Well, here are the repercussions, asshole.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 August 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link
Yeah, we're on the same page.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 August 2021 18:17 (two years ago) link
I'm getting a sense of a rising tide of anger on the part of vaccinated folks (as opposed to the ever-present inchoate anger of the unvaxxed), and it seems like maybe people in charge would do well to get out in front of this and start establishing some firm institutional restrictions before things start getting ugly (or uglier). We're quickly hurtling towards the colder months and the potential for bigger spikes and lockdowns, etc., and the understandable resentment needs to be acknowledged. Mealy-mouthed 'both sides'-ism is going to elicit an increasingly-sour response the longer responsible people feel they're being punished for the actions of maniacs.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 August 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
Otm. Our school board had to listen to 30 speeches from scripted (probably planted) parents screaming at them about how their kids should have freedom from oppressive masks, and then they promptly voted *unanimously* to rescind the mask mandate. They need to be hearing from the other side too- the people with genuine concerns about health and safety, not just these loud bullshit freedom assholes.
― epistantophus, Monday, 2 August 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
You'd think we would've gotten at least a little better at pushing back against useless, loud-mouthed assholes by now instead of just sheepishly shuffling out of their way every goddamned time.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 August 2021 19:52 (two years ago) link
If the last five years have taught me anything, it's that we *always* end up caving to these dipshits, in one way or another. It's so disheartening.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 August 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link
have any of y'all seen the movie Threads?
imagine that, but instead of nuclear winter, it's just a buncha dead bodies lying around outside and shirtless people with Confederate flags slowly dying muttering "worth it, owned the libs"
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 August 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
It feels like part of this is “the squeaky wheel getting the grease”, i.e., conservative strategizing that the louder and more obnoxious their “concerned parents”, “common-sense thinkers”, “freedom-fighting patriots”, and other obvious plants are, the more their talking points will be accepted as a reasonable position. With the idea that actual normal people, who are not insane, will tend to be less belligerent, less rigid in their beliefs (more able to see “both sides”), and less vocal. So the more they crank it up to 11 with the bad-faith acting, the better results they get, because the other, more reasonable side will tend to allow themselves to get sidelined and spoken over.
But there is this underlying assumption, maybe not even thought out, but it’s there, that these highly vocal and belligerent people are so sure of themselves, that surely they must be ready and able to back up their words with reasoning, examples, evidence, and even action! That there is no sense challenging them because they will not back down, and they may even get violent. But maybe the actual fact is that they are not prepared to be challenged. Maybe their loud-mouthed, venomous hostility and self-assurance would wilt like wet paper in the face of a challenge. I’d like to start finding out if that’s the case.
― epistantophus, Monday, 2 August 2021 22:47 (two years ago) link
christ this is a bleak tweet
COVID-19 vaccine required for all New Orleans deputy constables ahead of heavy eviction workload https://t.co/XYbIoIGwms— wdsu (@wdsu) August 2, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 2 August 2021 22:55 (two years ago) link
god that's depressing. and was avoidable.
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 August 2021 23:01 (two years ago) link
Austin is officially in stage 5, which means the highest level of caution based on hospitalizations and other factors
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 2 August 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link
Florida's in stage FUCK
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 August 2021 23:11 (two years ago) link
Well, Austin is home to 51,000 University of Texas students, known affectionately by their team's mascot, as the Young Asshats.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 2 August 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
https://www.austintexas.gov/covid19
Still showing Stage 4?
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 2 August 2021 23:35 (two years ago) link
I read that Austin REACHED Stage 5 but it hasn’t been officially declared so still at Stage 4 rules
― Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 August 2021 23:45 (two years ago) link
I read that the guidance for TX stage 5 is no different than stage 4, so not sure how much it matters.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 August 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
stage 5 changes recommendation for travel for unvaccinated from "only if necessary" to "don't"
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 2 August 2021 23:50 (two years ago) link
Yes, guess they haven't called it yet, assume it will happen soon enough.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link
Daughter-in-law took her dad to the ER weekend before last because he was short of breath. Turned out he was having a heart attack AND had covid (unvaxxed conspiracy theorist in Broward county FL). He panicked and made her take him home. Now DIL, son, (both vaxxed w/J&J in April) and their 1 year old are all sick and waiting on their covid test results. So worried, so angry.
― Jaq, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:17 (two years ago) link
oh god, Jaq, so sorry
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
NYC to require vaccination for indoor dining.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/nyregion/nyc-vaccine-mandate.html
This is good, even if I'm not rushing to do this at least while the weather is still ok.
― Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link
Oh wow Jaq,, so sorry, sending good vibes your way.
Good job NYC, would love to see more of that, though again... this puts the onus on restaurants to staff up vaccine bouncers.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:29 (two years ago) link
That's great, esp. the trickle down effect on tourism.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link
insert Calvin peeing graphic here
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link
very very sorry Jaq, that's a horrible situation :(
fuck yes to the NYC requirement though. but i guess families won't be dining indoors then
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link
I assume they'll make exceptions for masked kids?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 15:19 (two years ago) link
Good question. If the point of the policy is to suppress spread, I don't know why you'd make an exception; kids are a pretty substantial proportion of the unvaccinated population of New York City, where 2/3 of adults are vaccinated, and why be casual about their ability to transmit? But if the point of the policy is to make it a pain to be unvaccinated and encourage vaccination, then yes, you'd make the exception (since in that case not making the exception actually REDUCES the incentive for unvaxxed parents to get the shot, if doing so doesn't let them go out to dinner with their kids.) Probably the point is some combination of both.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
man, the Times Square Olive Garden will take a hit.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
What about McDonald's?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link
new york mandate also requires vaccination to enter gyms, which strikes me as a bigger deal
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
The exception only applies to kids who can eat and remain masked at the same time.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:01 (two years ago) link
Metro (big club here) just announced vaccine requirement. My daughter's place of part time bakery work just formally shifted from vaccines suggested to required for employees.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
Glad to see Metro's announcement. Hoping to see more spots do the same. Notable thing with Metro being that negative tests are no longer acceptable, only vaccinations, which have to be shown along with an ID.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link
It's hilarious to watch all the vaccinated, previously pro-mask people on reddit devolve into rabid, frothing anti-maskers screaming about their "freedom" to the point where they are completely indistinguishable from the MAGAts that have been anti-mask from the start.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link
are people on reddit anything like the people you know irl? if so, then I'd worry more.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link
i have to genuinely wonder if some people I know don't watch the news, because one of my friends who is decidedly not anti-vax, and is vaccinated, has been photoed out without one, and when I talked to him, he didn't seem to realize the CDC had just changed course on it.
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link
Not worried at all, in fact I said it was hilarious.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link